Lost P-47 in NY

[Vraciu]

Learjet 45 Specifications - Airfield Performance: Takeoff distance 5,040 feet or 1,536 meters (SL, ISA, MTOW). Landing distance: 2,660 feet or 811 meters (SL, ISA, MLW)

Aircraft carrier length: 1,092 feet (Nimitz-class aircraft carrier)

Lear 45 wouldn't be the best candidate IMHO and you'd most likely want the barricade rigged.

In any case it wouldn't use 2,660 feet to stop with 40-50 knots of wind over the deck (and being well below MLW).

OTOH, a Falcon 20, 50, or Citation Sovereign would need between 1,800 and 2,200 feet with zero wind, and way less with 40-50 knots WOD.

[Vraciu]

Keep in mind those numbers are for a stationary runway and zero wind.  With the runway trying to run away from you and a bit breeze across the deck the landing numbers will be much shorter.

Exactly.  Using a Falcon or a Citation with a Vref speed around 90-110 KIAS, depending, and the boat giving you 40 or 50 knots of WOD it isn't as hard as some will have you believe.  (A Falcon or Citation can fly the Groove fairly close to forty knots slower than a Hornet does.). That puts you at a relative speed of 40-70 knots.  With good anti-skid brakes you'll stop before you even get the buckets deployed. 

They did it with a Herk up to some pretty high weights in that Super COD experiment by landing parallel to the keel so we KNOW it is within the realm of possible.

I would still probably want the barricade rigged and a sharp LSO (as if there's any other kind).

[Vraciu]

There is not a standard business jet out there that could even think about landing on a CVN.  They are not built for that, and could not take the stress, let alone roll along the deck without being torn up.  I can think of a few turbo props that could, but, it would be really dicey.

Plenty can take the stress.  You ever seen the mains on the EMB-145 series?   Had some Brazilian (I think) Fed drop one on the ground so hard he cracked the rear of the fuselage open like an egg (they have since reinforced that) and he didn't even blow a tire.  They taxied off the runway with the tail dragging the ground.   



Plenty of them can do it.  Especially straight-wing Citations and the smaller Falcons with slats.   It's not rocket surgery. 

You should see some of the Third World strips I have to fly out of.  I'd take the carrier deck's surface any day over some of these places. 

[Vraciu]

I don't know you personally, nor claim to know anything about you. What I do know, is, I spend every day around hornet drivers, with thousands of hours under their belts, and I've never met a man who would make that particular claim. Life behind the boat is VERY real.

Never said it wasn't real.   Just disputing the notion that NATOPS equals infallible god-mode.  That said, they do a great job in a tough environment.   Nobody disputes that.   

[Vraciu]

See Rule #4

[Skuzzy]

Well, it has gone off the rails.