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Re: It's the law: remote pilot certificate required
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2016, 09:21:24 AM »
For commercial use.

from my reading of Part 107, yes, remember the total weight is limited to 55lbs.  if you are taking pictures/video and selling them, you can get paid.  Its all limited to line of sight operation, see and avoid and 400 ft AGL, 87 MPH, not sure how they will enforce. 
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Re: It's the law: remote pilot certificate required
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2016, 09:35:12 AM »
We have a DJI Phantom III Professional. We just use it for our own personal use. Licensed during the grace period. Now to license it is $5.

I know folks who use them to inspect windows on buildings and such. This will affect them. This was a sticking spot for a lot of businesses. Now it looks as though they may be finally addressing it.
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Re: It's the law: remote pilot certificate required
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2016, 10:07:27 AM »
Yea like the new pizza delivery option with drones. I still don't approve this method.

NO, your statement is not true, there is not such approval for any type of delivery system.   Part 107 only allows line of sight operation.
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Re: It's the law: remote pilot certificate required
« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2016, 12:45:43 PM »
Has any entity done testing of commercial drones being sucked into jet intakes yet? I would assume a bit of this comes from the real chance of a drone being flown near active public airfields.
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Re: It's the law: remote pilot certificate required
« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2016, 12:58:56 PM »
Has any entity done testing of commercial drones being sucked into jet intakes yet? I would assume a bit of this comes from the real chance of a drone being flown near active public airfields.

Drones have No Fly Zones. You can fly but you have to get permission from the tower at the airport. If there is no tower then no fly.

Many drones are now being programmed to not fly in certain areas.
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Re: It's the law: remote pilot certificate required
« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2016, 01:13:48 PM »
Has any entity done testing of commercial drones being sucked into jet intakes yet? I would assume a bit of this comes from the real chance of a drone being flown near active public airfields.

I don't know, I know that the part 23 windsheild test for an airline is a 6LB chicken fired out of an air cannon at 100 knots.   Engines when being tested has to ingest birds and not explode.  I know that enough geese were ingested to shut down two engines on that flight that ended in the Hudson.  a 55lb drone, at 87MPH, closing with and hitting an airliner in landing configuration  at say an average approach speed of 140K or 150MPH + 87MPH = 237MPH , That type of load hitting the windshield is going through that windshield and if not killing the crew member it strikes in the head, at least taking him out as an effective pilot.  Can the none flying pilot recover in time, I say yes.   
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Re: It's the law: remote pilot certificate required
« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2016, 01:45:31 PM »
Has any entity done testing of commercial drones being sucked into jet intakes yet? I would assume a bit of this comes from the real chance of a drone being flown near active public airfields.

We ran a CNN news package yesterday about how much damage a drone can do to an aircraft. In the video they show a CGI animation of a drone striking a 747s wing and causing the wing to burst into flames and fall off....which I call out bull crap almost immediately along with the rest of the news staff. It was laughable the damage they we saying a drone can do.

The news station I work for has 3 DJ Phantom II drones we use for all sorts of operations, from commercial shoots to news stories. One of the drones was badly damaged after our pilot accidentally hit a tree limb while flying at home doing some practice flying. It was able to be repaired but there is no way a drone like a DJ Phantom II is going to cause an airplane much trouble unless it hits an engine or maybe the windshield.

We're trying get our guys cleared and certified so we don't have to ground our fleet as the drone can be incredible when it comes to getting news.
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Re: It's the law: remote pilot certificate required
« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2016, 02:15:25 PM »
We have a DJI Phantom III Professional. We just use it for our own personal use. Licensed during the grace period. Now to license it is $5.

I know folks who use them to inspect windows on buildings and such. This will affect them. This was a sticking spot for a lot of businesses. Now it looks as though they may be finally addressing it.

I was actually asked to participate In a test program here at work.....doing roof inspections. (property adjuster) We would be using the Phantom series as well.....just waiting on the call....they will pay for everything  :aok
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Re: It's the law: remote pilot certificate required
« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2016, 02:18:19 PM »
I was actually asked to participate In a test program here at work.....doing roof inspections. (property adjuster) We would be using the Phantom series as well.....just waiting on the call....they will pay for everything  :aok
Yes that would be covered under commercial. DJI makes great video drones. The new IV is even better than the one we have.

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Re: It's the law: remote pilot certificate required
« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2016, 02:42:56 PM »
We ran a CNN news package yesterday about how much damage a drone can do to an aircraft. In the video they show a CGI animation of a drone striking a 747s wing and causing the wing to burst into flames and fall off....which I call out bull crap almost immediately along with the rest of the news staff. It was laughable the damage they we saying a drone can do.

The news station I work for has 3 DJ Phantom II drones we use for all sorts of operations, from commercial shoots to news stories. One of the drones was badly damaged after our pilot accidentally hit a tree limb while flying at home doing some practice flying. It was able to be repaired but there is no way a drone like a DJ Phantom II is going to cause an airplane much trouble unless it hits an engine or maybe the windshield.

We're trying get our guys cleared and certified so we don't have to ground our fleet as the drone can be incredible when it comes to getting news.

Not all drones are plastic, there are some drones with gasoline engines, that adds a little more weight which means more damage, I agree with you that the cgi was over done, but a windshield strike with 55lbs of weight will go through the windshield and if striking a crew member in the head, my guess would be it would take the persons head off.  I flew for Eastern for many years and the only thing that ever happened for all my years of flying was that on a trip from KMOC to KEWR, after climbing to  flight level 330, I noticed a slight blur, really a speck right in the middle of my windshield, I pointed it out to the captain and we tried to determine if it was on the inner or outer pane by touching the surface and judging the distance between my finger tip and this speck.  At this point that speck actually became a crack and it was the loudest pop I have ever heard in my entire life.  We followed the check list , got on O2, asked for something below flight level 260 and recalculated fuel and turned off windshield heat, heating of the windshield makes the windshield more pliable and able to withstand an impact from a 'bird-strike', the emergency checklist calls for heat off.  Next stop Atlanta.  All the way there the windshield continued to make noise and pop.  I lowered my seat so my head was well below the glare shield.  It held all the way , we never lost pressure.  Gave my captain time to recall his B17 days over Germany and his bachelor nights in England.
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Re: It's the law: remote pilot certificate required
« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2016, 02:55:50 PM »
It was able to be repaired but there is no way a drone like a DJ Phantom II is going to cause an airplane much trouble unless it hits an engine or maybe the windshield.

Flaps/Slats can be pretty fragile. It's not just taking off a wing you have to worry about, but hitting a slat and jamming it shut while the other is extended can get dicey at low speed, not to mention the potential to damage control surfaces. When we have small birds in the vicinity, we treat approaches like we're about to lose an engine. Drones are DEFINITELY concerning to aircraft, even if it's not a catastrophic explosion.

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Re: It's the law: remote pilot certificate required
« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2016, 03:07:37 PM »
After I posted I got to to thinking that the only drone I've ever handled is a DJ Phantom II, and to be honest I'm afraid a fart in the wind would break that thing. I realize that there are other heavier types of drones that could do some damage depending on where they hit.

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