PZVG, signing off

[pzvg]

Hello all, While I've been flying my brother in law's account <WERT>, it's mainly because we only have one internet connection,which he needed more than I. He's got orders, so I should be re-establishing my account very shortly. Now that isn't the reason for the post, I've decided to leave this BB, As it has become AGW all over again, the pettiness,the ugliness, all from folks who's ability in the game I respect, but who's words in this forum clearly show a vast difference between that and whatever social problems they may have in real life. Of late, I have found myself responding to the barrage of hate and ignorance, and took a moment to re-evaluate myself, I like flying in mock aircombat, always have, always will
I like pitting myself against a wide range of skilled folks from every part of the world. I do not care about what the real planes could and could not do, I've never flown one, and never will. I do not respect a book as the ultimate authority on ANY subject, as a book is merely the subjective work of the author. I do care about the environment in which I choose to recreate, as  I see far more than a fair share of the ugly side of human nature every day, I don't need to come here to see folks acting small mean and petty. I might still choose to fly in AH, but I'll do it in silence, likewise this board, because I have lived when I should be dead, I'm older than I have aright to be, and I cannot apply any yardstick of bitter experience to why people who don't really know each other can hate each other so much, based simply on the way a bit of computer code works. There is a sense of unreality at work here. And of late, I have become so disgusted and discouraged that it leaked into my real life and I yelled at my kids. Shame on me, shame on you. I remove myself from this vicious little playground, sorry my friends, I hope some will miss my voice here, but it matters not, The ones with issues will gloat, and they can be happy, they've done something finally, the made an 8 year old girl cry. Are you happy now? proud of yourself? I know I'm not.

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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"

[-sudz-]

I hear ya, pzvg.  I know someone with agoraphobia (fear of going outdoors, large spaces) who used chat rooms to get of taste of life without leaving the house.  The viciousness of the people she found there made her even more of a shut-in.

I think the relative anonymnity of computer communications lends itself to casual cruelty.

Having said that, though, I think that anyone going into this type of environment should develop a zen-like attitude towards these posts.  Be like water - you can cut it with a knife but it leaves no mark, does no harm.  In other words - blow it off. Don't sweat the small stuff.

It's hard enough getting along with 4 people, much less thousands. So remain in silence if you'd like, but there are cool people in this forum and they're the ones that you can drink with at the con.

-Sudz

[Kieren]

As I alluded in my post "How do I say this?", I feel the same way (in many ways). There are many wonderful people here that behave terribly at times. A little self-examination now and then is good.  

[HaHa]

Anyone who takes anything (or says anything) serious on the Internet has social issues themselves. btw from the sound of your post it sounds like it was you that made the girl cry. It's only a game people

[Camel]

Im not one of many words, I hope my silence at times isnt taken the wrong way. Im just a lousey typer(cant really spell for watermelon either) But I read fine, and I always read your posts (yours too K). I have my list of folks I dont bother with, and it seems to be getting longer lately. Ive had a growing expirience and have begun to learn to stop being so incensed by the way some people choose to conduct themselves online. It basicaly came down to me actually day dreaming about giving a certain individual inspiration, the inspiration to be able to type again, and possibly remembering his own name. It was at this point I decided I dont need the stress, I already have plenty. Ying and Yang I guess.

Sorry for rambling I just sorta know how you feel.

(edit trying to catch my horrible spelling)  



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[funked]

Doesn't matter who's right and who's wrong - you are doing the right thing to take a break.  <S>

[Wanker]

 

Anyone who takes anything (or says anything) serious on the Internet has social issues themselves

So it sounds like you think it's ok to act like a jerk on BB's, eh HaHa? I disagree. No matter when and where one converses with people sharing a common interest, there is no excuse for being abusive to each other. Telling the other person "don't take it seriously" is a cop out, plain and simple.

Pzvg, I think you and I spoke a little online the other night, when you were "wert". I noticed that you seemed a little tense, especially when you were barking out orders to the rest of us who were flying in an organized mission. I hope the time off helps you regain the spirit of our flying together.  I sure would like to see you in the arena again.

Hey everyone, how about a novel concept? Let's all try to treat each other with dignity and respect. Try it, it doesn't hurt.

<S>

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[bike killa]

 

Hey everyone, how about a novel concept? Let's all try to treat each other with dignity and respect. Try it, it doesn't hurt.

it's the only way we can enjoy this great sim <S>

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[Ripsnort]

PZ, could be worse, I've counted  5 locked threads in the last week on AGW..

Peace Bro, see ya after your 'walk-about'...been good  flying with you as a Knit.

[Lizard3]

See below:

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Lizard

"Engage the enemy; not the keyboard"
Hangtime

[Torquila]

   Haha, concering ur comment about "its only a game" and "anyone who takes this seriously has serious problems". It is a known fact that this doesnt apply to games like this, where instinct and each persons ego go head to head and strive to be the best. We have created a community on this BBS and CH 1 that can grow, argue and break down (which is happening now). It is very sensitive to all the comments and inappropriate ideas that pass through the "heart" of it. The "heart" of this community is made of up many different types of people.  There are some who are respected and very sociable, and some who dont talk and are rejected by others. It comes down to each person's individual atitude towards others. So i suggest to you angry, stressed out people to isolate yourself and look in the mirror for a bit. Over the years of playing WB/AW and the months of AH, we should all know that Jelously and the envy of someone's flying ability is the beginning of all these arguements.

Just my £.02

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[jmccaul]

What amazes me most is when the how old are you threads come round and someone says

"i'm 38"

and i think to myself i was sure he was about 12  

 

[kfsone]

People are people. These posts are written by people. This text represents my opinion, and myself. I wrote it. In doing so, I expose a little of myself to the outside world. The fact it is on a bulletin board, or said on a game, doesn't dehumanise it. It's still the output of a person, and the responses to it are the reactions of other human beings.

At the end of the day, it isn't 'only a game'. It is a multiplayer game. It is a game of many people. When you shoot down another aircraft, you are interacting with another person. When you fire your guns or move your control surfaces, THAT is just a game. All of those are the pre-programmed elements of the game, and part of the 'protocol' for interacting with other humans in this medium.

But when you begin to emit text, that isn't pre-programmed; that is personal and human. The words you exchange are YOUR words and the people receiving them are receiving them personally.

... Another way to put it

The virtual bullet never leaves the simulation. That's why it's acceptable we fire them at each other. But when you fire off words, they travel beyond the other persons avatar in the simulation, out thru their screen and touches them.

Oliver

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