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Re: Straw Poll
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2016, 06:17:43 PM »
Think fess came across people doing an arena test....

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Re: Straw Poll
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2016, 06:22:51 PM »
Background: I did fly/drive in four scenarios.


[1] No

[2] I very much dislike 'being in uniform', sticking to a formation, following orders, not being able to do 'my thing', not being able to go AFK for extended times.
I absolutely HATE 'being in uniform' and not seeing any action for hours, which has happened more than once to me. I actually had two frames where I never saw any enemy at all. The only scenario that was really fun to me was the original DGS. The rest was work. I hate work.

[3] Nothing. I'm afraid a scenario that would allow players to do what they want on an individual level would not be a scenario any more ;)

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I fully expect you to know nearly everything there is to know about AH and Special Events given what I've read in your posts. 
Given your response (which is appreciated), clearly Scenarios are not for you.  And they won't be for everyone. 
The reason for this straw poll was for me, and Brooke and the Scenario Team, to try to understand what's holding people back from joining in.  I've talked to lots of players in the MA about joining a Scenario, and time and time again, they tell me they don't know what it is or how to join.  Or, that the 4 Saturday format won't work for them.  Or, like you, they flew a whole frame with no action whatsoever.
Well, I'm trying to make sure people know about Scenarios and how to join, and that the new 12 hour format gives people more choice and control over how and when they play.  Seems more people can schedule time on a single day easier than over 4 Saturday afternoons.
As for the issue of inaction, the layout and objectives in recent Scenarios have been purposely designed to increase by concentrating the points of conflict closer together, allowing shorter transit times to the action.  Also, the number of required missions and targets that must be hit, has been increased to provide more combat opportunities.  The was proven in the last scenario 'Dneiper", which was a constant, non-stop fight in a very compact battle space. Bad guys were over your bases and in-your-face in less than 10 minutes from the opening each frame, and it never stopped for the full 3 hours each day.
Now they are bringing this together in the 12 hour, play when and as much as you like, format.  It should be a riot.
However, for such a seat-of-the-pants Lobo like you ( :salute ), there is nothing anyone can do to alleviate the need for uniforms, strategic assignments, mission discipline, etc. The only place for you is the MA where you can play in the way that makes you happy.  Which is as it should be.
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Re: Straw Poll
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2016, 06:44:33 PM »
I've been in a few walk on scenarios.

One was fun, in another I couldn't find the enemy, and in another I flew for an hour, got shot down immediately and could not take off again (one plane).

I have been invited to and flew FSO a few nights, but I don't have the patience for the loooong flight to get to the fights.

Pearl harbor is a very fun one.

I wish I could commit to this long one, but can't.

Read some of my responses to Fess here.  The issue of long flights and no action has and is, being addressed successfully.  The last Scenario "Dneiper" was a blast of immediate action within 10 minutes of the opening frame...  for everyone.   Not saying it's not impossible to fly to the wrong place a the wrong time and see nothing, but it's getting to be a rare animal in scenarios as the planners have increase required number of missions, and made the overall battlespace smaller in general.  Enemy targets are only a few minutes away from either side.  It's constant mayhem.  Personally, in the last one, "Dneiper" I was exhausted by the end of each frame.  I literally had a minimum of 5 or 6 different combat engagements against the enemy each frame.  The first frame I started off defending a base from an in-bound attack, both mid-alt and another NOE, then I was escorting an attack mission to its target, next on a scouting and tracking assignment, then I attacked an NOE flight of IL2's before they reached their target ( got 3 of them).  Then another base defense and finally another 109 pilot and I provided escort to our own NOE Jabo attack.  This last was the most exciting of all as just the two of us played dodgeball with several LA-5's and a couple of Yaks.  All but one of our Fw190 F-8's made it home safely.  It was nail-biting fun.
If you put in the effort and don't get discouraged easily (meaning a dedicated pilot who doesn't quit 'period') this can be the most fun possible in Aces High, and especially as we are now fly AH III.
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Re: Straw Poll
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2016, 06:06:34 AM »
Did all 12 hours of TFT. Looking forward to all 12 of this one, in a 14th FG P38G.

What I like about the 12 hour scenario:
1. Thinking on the fly. Having a week to plan the next phase battle plan is not as challenging as adapting to the current sitrep.
2. Everyone, worldwide, has the opportunity to join in for, for at least a few hours.

And I enjoy the history that other players bring to it; pilot stories, music, pictures, etc

Cya There  :cheers:

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Re: Straw Poll
« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2016, 11:43:24 PM »
Tried to join a scenario last week.  Walk ons welcome.  Tried to walk on, was not welcomed.  Will not try again.

Happy to stay in MA.

I think there is no confusion on my end

Howdy, Fess.

There was no Scenario last week.  Scenarios run only about 3 times per year, and the last one was in June.  A Scenario is a particular event that is different from an FSO, Snapshot, "This Day in WWII", etc.

You probably have not played in a Scenario yet.

The people who run Scenarios love walkons.  I know this with 100% certainty, because I am the guy who runs Scenarios and assigns walkons.  :aok

I love walkons so much that I am personally asking you to fly with us on October 22nd (the date of the next Scenario).  :aok

You can come as a walkon, or you can register and be a planned part of the team (which we prefer, but . . . we LOVE WALKONS!)  :D

Here's who is flying in it so far:
http://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/201610_TunisiaFeb43/registration/registration.html

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Re: Straw Poll
« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2016, 12:02:03 AM »
not seeing any action for hours

I can't help you with the rest of your items, but this particular one isn't an issue these days.

The lowest-action scenario in recent times was Der Grosse Schlag II in 2012 -- because of its very large playing area and being based on high-alt strategic bombing missions.  Everything else since then has had several times more missions/battles per frame.

Even so, the other things would make it so that Scenarios aren't for you -- but you gave them a try, and for that, I am grateful to you, for trying it out.  <S>!  :aok

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Re: Straw Poll
« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2016, 12:25:03 AM »
Scenarios are the only part of virtual reality in this game as is FSO.   The MA is not anywhere close to being a simulated WWII combat Sim.  I'm not a huge fan of seeing P51s' attack B17s.

It didn't happen in WWII.  There is no virtual reality connected to anything in the Melee arena.  It is plainly a PC game with modeled aircraft and gvs to point and shoot at one another.

Some being better then others for what the player wishes to do.  Scenarios are a rare event.  It encourages team building, one gets to know others in the community by participating and the

air craft in the scenario are of the period when the Scenario takes place.  No P47Ms shooting down Lancaster's or tangling with Spitfires. We each have reasons for playing.  None being better then another.

As they say it's your 15 bucks.  Scenarios and FSO at least try to present what a player who loves virtual reality, with plane sets and terrain of that time period in history.

Do I play in the Melee Arena?  Sure. This month I've been there a lot.  A lot more then I have in years just to get used to the environment.  If you want DOOM with wings the Melee Arena is the place to be.

Scenarios pique my interest. And I participate in them.  History!
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Re: Straw Poll
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2016, 12:41:51 AM »
For anyone wanting the list of past scenarios:

http://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/scenarios.html

Also, that page has links to pictorial after-action reports for each one, showing what the action was like from my perspective flying in them.

Sometimes perhaps too much action for my particular position.  :D

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Re: Straw Poll
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2016, 03:32:40 AM »
Scenarios are the only part of virtual reality in this game as is FSO.   The MA is not anywhere close to being a simulated WWII combat Sim.  I'm not a huge fan of seeing P51s' attack B17s.

It didn't happen in WWII.  There is no virtual reality connected to anything in the Melee arena.  It is plainly a PC game with modeled aircraft and gvs to point and shoot at one another.


Well, and simply said, Hajo.   :salute
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Re: Straw Poll
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2016, 08:29:57 AM »
I have participated in 2 or 3 Scenarios, now. I can't commit to every one that comes along, but when I have they have, for the most part, been a lot of fun. The 12-hour long format works best for me. I think I played about 9 or 10 hours in the last 12-hour one.

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Re: Straw Poll
« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2016, 09:10:10 AM »
I just can't commit to it but if I'm available I will be flying for at least part of it....like others have said, it's a nice change of pace from the MA.
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Re: Straw Poll
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2016, 09:49:52 AM »
I can second the notions that you might not find action. I have done several of the last scenarios and each time "making sure every player sees a fast pace of action constantly" has been the primary goal in setups.

Personally I know many people spent over 2 months just hashing out what targets would make for best case of action scenarios.

If you can't find quick action, in current scenarios it would be beyond me to think how... You literally would need to have a broken radio, compass, and no chat bar, with your monitor turned off..