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Offline hgtonyvi

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On behalf of the new 110c-4b
« Reply #30 on: November 21, 2016, 03:04:16 PM »
Is it just an updated cockpit or flight model had changed also?

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Re: On behalf of the new 110c-4b
« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2016, 07:14:51 PM »
The way I know HiTech and his FM design, if there's a flight model change it will affect all the planes at once. (It's my guess, not truth).
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Re: On behalf of the new 110c-4b
« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2016, 12:24:00 AM »
The way I know HiTech and his FM design, if there's a flight model change it will affect all the planes at once. (It's my guess, not truth).
I doubt this, I think each plane file sits by its own...I can be wrong.

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« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2016, 12:27:20 AM »
The cockpit and external shapes are new. The flight model is the same as far as I know.
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Re: On behalf of the new 110c-4b
« Reply #34 on: November 22, 2016, 10:45:28 AM »
I doubt this, I think each plane file sits by its own...I can be wrong.

I don't think the 3D model changes the FM. In the sense a newer model with less blocky fuselage and wings would be faster or have more lift. If there's a change of FM it is because HiTech introduces a new force, or tweaks one ... which would affect all the planes across the board. (My 2cts, I don't have a clue :lol)
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Re: New 110C!!!!!!
« Reply #35 on: November 22, 2016, 01:02:57 PM »
Frenchy, as they are updating the 3d models they are re-computing how the airflow goes over it, and so forth. So yes, the flight model can pick up different behaviors as the 3d model is updated. They give it a lot of work, which is why it takes so long.

They showed a picture of the airflow points over the F4U wings waaaay back when the corsairs were updated. It's pretty interesting.

However, I hope they also remedy the too-fast roll rate that makes the 110 too nimble. Historically it had speed and range on its side, but it's a little too maneuverable based on historic reports.

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Re: New 110C!!!!!!
« Reply #36 on: November 22, 2016, 02:23:13 PM »
I don't think the 3D model changes the FM.

Correct.


If there's a change of FM it is because HiTech introduces a new force, or tweaks one ... which would affect all the planes across the board. (My 2cts, I don't have a clue :lol)

Nope. The planes can of course be tweaked individually and have been many times in the past.


Frenchy, as they are updating the 3d models they are re-computing how the airflow goes over it, and so forth.

Nope. Doesn't work like that at all. 3d-model and flight model aren't dependent of each other. Flight models could be swapped between the planes or something crazy like the Claw can be done.

HTC has done flight models from scratch as they have updated the 3d-model (for example in the case of Mosquito, P-40s and the Hurricanes) simply because it is convenient in terms of development schedule or has updated only the 3d-model (done in the case of A6M2, A6M5, Yak-9T and Yak-9U for example).
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Re: New 110C!!!!!!
« Reply #37 on: November 22, 2016, 02:42:03 PM »
You're right. They're not "dependent" on each other. However, they are related to each other, and HTC has in the past put more work into it than just updating visuals.

N1K2s handled differently after their remodel. La-7s turn and stall behavior was subtly different and more nuanced. Ta152 took a MASSIVE hit and became a slug of a wasted airframe. Me262 had a number of changes as well. They have shown consistently that while the two do not HAVE to correspond with each other in computer programming in general, they (HTC) have taken the time to give it a once-over to match the new 3D visuals. It ties in with the damage hit detection areas, how that affects flight and airflow during stalls and other manuevers when you lose part of a plane.

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Re: New 110C!!!!!!
« Reply #38 on: November 22, 2016, 02:49:03 PM »
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Re: New 110C!!!!!!
« Reply #39 on: November 22, 2016, 03:13:52 PM »

PS: Calling Dastardly...

First thing I thought when I saw this thread    :aok
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Re: New 110C!!!!!!
« Reply #40 on: November 22, 2016, 03:21:23 PM »
Yo, HTC, I saw the other pics and notice a rather glaring problem with the rear canopy. You've basically made it "roll in" into the gunner's space. That's not how it went.

Here's the screenshots from the front page:





But the top flap separated from the "roll-back" and slid on top of the glasshouse canopy. This way the radio operator and gunner had free range of motion to manage equipment, reload the MG/FF on the cabin floor, and to operate the gunner position.





The "rollback" part was narrower and slid inside the glasshouse canopy, but there was a lip where the top portion was wider than the sides, and it just slid back on the exterior track on the canopy framework.

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Re: New 110C!!!!!!
« Reply #41 on: November 22, 2016, 03:21:41 PM »
HTC has done flight model changes to individual aircraft with or without a 3D-model change. Simple as that.

If they wanted, they could take the Me262 flight model and pair it up with the Halloween Pumpkin or Santa's sled and it would fly exactly the same and have the same performance as a Me262 in game does.
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Re: New 110C!!!!!!
« Reply #42 on: November 22, 2016, 03:36:29 PM »
Yo, HTC, I saw the other pics and notice a rather glaring problem with the rear canopy. You've basically made it "roll in" into the gunner's space. That's not how it went.

Here's the screenshots from the front page:

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(Image removed from quote.)

But the top flap separated from the "roll-back" and slid on top of the glasshouse canopy. This way the radio operator and gunner had free range of motion to manage equipment, reload the MG/FF on the cabin floor, and to operate the gunner position.

(Image removed from quote.)

(Image removed from quote.)

The "rollback" part was narrower and slid inside the glasshouse canopy, but there was a lip where the top portion was wider than the sides, and it just slid back on the exterior track on the canopy framework.

Nice catch Krusty.  :aok
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Re: New 110C!!!!!!
« Reply #43 on: November 22, 2016, 03:52:10 PM »
Rear gunner then has to fully pull the MG into his cabin position before he can slide the top piece out and toggle the locks?
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Re: New 110C!!!!!!
« Reply #44 on: November 22, 2016, 04:16:12 PM »
Rear gunner then has to fully pull the MG into his cabin position before he can slide the top piece out and toggle the locks?

No. There's a cutout in the glass for the barrel.

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