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Re: Any CCW people here?
« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2016, 02:04:08 PM »
I'm thinking about picking up an M&P 9 in some form, as my first handgun, with the intent of eventually getting my CCWP. My brother open carries a full-size 1911, and it's fun as hell to shoot, but I'm not a big fan of advertising if I can avoid it.

I think I'm gonna spend some time renting things at Knob Creek before deciding on anything, but I figured I'd see what you old-timers and the like prefer to use.

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« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2016, 02:07:51 PM »
We can open carry here in Texas. I'm of the opinion to not be the first target of a criminal so mine stay relatively concealed.
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Re: Any CCW people here?
« Reply #32 on: November 28, 2016, 04:22:46 PM »
I carry a .45, because they don't make a .46.

But seriously, I carry a Colt 1911. I like the caliber. I like the reliability. The accuracy. But most importantly, when I hold it, it just feels like a perfect match for my hand. Graceful and elegant, with a refined style. It's heavy, yes, but I like that. It's a very comfortable heft. It was the handgun I loved most as a kid, and I still do. My second-line carry would be a Makarov, for all of the reasons most people don't like 1911s. It's small, it's light, it's compact, but it's just as reliable and accurate as my 1911. It's a GREAT gun, with some history to it.
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Re: Any CCW people here?
« Reply #33 on: November 28, 2016, 04:27:02 PM »
Thought about it a few years ago, but never saw the need.   Not to mention, my friends getting harassed by having one when pulled over.

Harrased? Heck, mine have gotten me out of a very well deserved traffic ticket lol. The cop had every right to throw the book at me, (Going a little fast, safety and registration out of date, several other minor things...) but when he saw my carry license, we spent the next 30 minutes chatting about guns, magazines, defense techniques, and he didn't feel like writing any tickets after that lol.

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Re: Any CCW people here?
« Reply #34 on: November 28, 2016, 05:03:36 PM »
We can open carry here in Texas. I'm of the opinion to not be the first target of a criminal so mine stay relatively concealed.

my thoughts exactly! although I barely do go out in public much anymore and most often I carry my Colt because it is smaller and I have a middle of the back holster I use and let my shirt tail cover........ my 44 mag, I use a shoulder holster to carry and were a jacket in the winter time

North Carolina is an open carry state as well, but you hardly ever see anyone doing it

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« Reply #35 on: November 28, 2016, 05:50:56 PM »
One topic regarding CCW that doesn't get as much time as the hardware, is training.  There are many good options for CCW, small revolvers are great due to size, reliability, and the ability to make contact shots without a slide that can be pressed out of battery.  Small autos are great due to capacity, size, and the ability to quickly reload them.  Full size are great due to even more capacity, and more surface area for your hands which allows a stronger grip to be established, which means more accurate subsequent shots during rapid firing.  There are many positives with various types.  The real weapon is YOU, not the type of firearm. 

If you've never gone through specific close quarter fighting/shooting training, I'm talking at least a 1-2 day 12 hour+ course where you put 500+  rounds per day through your handgun/carbine/whatever, you truly have NO idea how well you'll perform under stress.  Even a single training course can make a huge positive change in not only your capabilities, but your mindset as well.  When I was instructing for Sig Sauer Academy 13 years ago, there weren't many quality schools, but now there are several dozen I would recommend, and there is no reason anyone serious about defending themselves or their families shouldn't be training. Regardless of what you thing you know, or how good you believe you are, until you have professional instruction and have been put to the test under stressful conditions in front of many observers - you really have no idea on how you'll perform under combat conditions IMO.

Also, along with a weapons (firearms, magazines, impact/edged weapons, aerosol weapons, etc), you should be trained in gunshot/knife first aide, and be carrying a small package of critical first aid tools/supplies as well.  Ask Rich46 here, who sees more pistol gunshots than probably any of us, 80% of pistol wounds are survivable these days.  If you're involved in a CCW shooting/event, it'll be at least 15 minutes if not longer before medical personnel arrive, and often L/E won't even let them in the area where you are until it is secure.  This means that YOU are responsible for saving yourself or any family/friendlies that have taken wounds - and they and you WILL - until the medical pros are able to help you.  A couple of tourniquets, some chest stickies, quick clot type emergency bandages, curlex/guaze/etc to pack wounds, some scissors to quickly get clothing off, a couple pairs of gloves, a chest needle/tube to relieve pressure from common chest wounds, etc. All this can be fit in to a very small package in a ziplock and fit in a cargo pocket, or at least be in your vehicle and home.  The training to use these things is very simple and easy, and having them near to hand can and will be the difference between bleeding out from a wound you and others can easily be saved from, or not. It's insane to me that many prepare for gunfights with weapons and combat training(some), but not the training and equipment to solve the EXTREMELY common wounds that happen in the majority of them. 


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« Reply #36 on: November 28, 2016, 09:32:20 PM »
One topic regarding CCW that doesn't get as much time as the hardware, is training.  There are many good options for CCW, small revolvers are great due to size, reliability, and the ability to make contact shots without a slide that can be pressed out of battery.  Small autos are great due to capacity, size, and the ability to quickly reload them.  Full size are great due to even more capacity, and more surface area for your hands which allows a stronger grip to be established, which means more accurate subsequent shots during rapid firing.  There are many positives with various types.  The real weapon is YOU, not the type of firearm. 

If you've never gone through specific close quarter fighting/shooting training, I'm talking at least a 1-2 day 12 hour+ course where you put 500+  rounds per day through your handgun/carbine/whatever, you truly have NO idea how well you'll perform under stress.  Even a single training course can make a huge positive change in not only your capabilities, but your mindset as well.  When I was instructing for Sig Sauer Academy 13 years ago, there weren't many quality schools, but now there are several dozen I would recommend, and there is no reason anyone serious about defending themselves or their families shouldn't be training. Regardless of what you thing you know, or how good you believe you are, until you have professional instruction and have been put to the test under stressful conditions in front of many observers - you really have no idea on how you'll perform under combat conditions IMO.

Also, along with a weapons (firearms, magazines, impact/edged weapons, aerosol weapons, etc), you should be trained in gunshot/knife first aide, and be carrying a small package of critical first aid tools/supplies as well.  Ask Rich46 here, who sees more pistol gunshots than probably any of us, 80% of pistol wounds are survivable these days.  If you're involved in a CCW shooting/event, it'll be at least 15 minutes if not longer before medical personnel arrive, and often L/E won't even let them in the area where you are until it is secure.  This means that YOU are responsible for saving yourself or any family/friendlies that have taken wounds - and they and you WILL - until the medical pros are able to help you.  A couple of tourniquets, some chest stickies, quick clot type emergency bandages, curlex/guaze/etc to pack wounds, some scissors to quickly get clothing off, a couple pairs of gloves, a chest needle/tube to relieve pressure from common chest wounds, etc. All this can be fit in to a very small package in a ziplock and fit in a cargo pocket, or at least be in your vehicle and home.  The training to use these things is very simple and easy, and having them near to hand can and will be the difference between bleeding out from a wound you and others can easily be saved from, or not. It's insane to me that many prepare for gunfights with weapons and combat training(some), but not the training and equipment to solve the EXTREMELY common wounds that happen in the majority of them.

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Re: Any CCW people here?
« Reply #37 on: November 29, 2016, 01:50:22 AM »
All good quality information...

And all information I fundamentally agree with. I've already looked into making some first-aid kits for my car and on the go, and I'm bringing back a few sterile TQs and some other stuff from the 'Stan. While I agree you'll never know how exactly you'll perform under stress, even though my experiences here won't directly translate, I feel they give a decent baseline. I'm certainly interested in good CCW courses, but only after a I've put a couple hundred rounds through whatever I end up with. Only then will I consider courses, or even carrying in general.
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Re: Any CCW people here?
« Reply #38 on: November 29, 2016, 08:13:47 AM »
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And all information I fundamentally agree with. I've already looked into making some first-aid kits for my car and on the go, and I'm bringing back a few sterile TQs and some other stuff from the 'Stan. While I agree you'll never know how exactly you'll perform under stress, even though my experiences here won't directly translate, I feel they give a decent baseline. I'm certainly interested in good CCW courses, but only after a I've put a couple hundred rounds through whatever I end up with. Only then will I consider courses, or even carrying in general.


Your combat experience will give you the most important part of being able to do well in a civilian CCW/CQB situation, and that's mindset.  Mindset is the most critical factor in any type of fight IMO.  Specific handgun/close range fighting is just expanding your skillset within that mindset.  In my experience soldiers and PSD guys from the PMCs I've worked with as a trainer, who have been under fire and seen combat, virtually always take the training very seriously, and are able to adapt their current skillset to new and more specific handgun fighting techniques.  It's just expanding your skills, and past experience with stress under fire will help to rapidly understand and acquire more tools for your tool box.

Handguns due to their nature are hardest weapons to be proficient with, and doing so really improves your abilities to shoot shoulder supported weapons better as well. There are so many new techniques and trainers out there now, since I was working in the business, it's been a huge up arrow on the graph in terms of knowledge and applying new tecuniques that have been proven in the last decade or so. There is a ton of info out there on the net too, Youtube has a lot of stuff you can pick up and self train as well, although IMO as good as dry fire practice and self training is, it'll never do for you what a pro instructor in a class setting will.

IMO one of the best pistol, or any firearms, instructor out there is the Sheriff of Baghdad, John McPhee.  I trained a lot with another  x special missions unit member, Paul Howe at CSAT, but McPhee has really taken technology plus his vast knowledge and experience in gunfights, and combined it all into a system that improves your shooting more quickly than anything else I've seen or been through.  Check out his Youtube channel and website, there a ton of vids that will show what you'll get into if you train with him, and he travels all over the USA doing training. 


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Re: Any CCW people here?
« Reply #39 on: November 29, 2016, 09:06:22 AM »
And all information I fundamentally agree with. I've already looked into making some first-aid kits for my car and on the go, and I'm bringing back a few sterile TQs and some other stuff from the 'Stan. While I agree you'll never know how exactly you'll perform under stress, even though my experiences here won't directly translate, I feel they give a decent baseline. I'm certainly interested in good CCW courses, but only after a I've put a couple hundred rounds through whatever I end up with. Only then will I consider courses, or even carrying in general.

One should never carry a semi auto that has not had at least 200 rounds minimum through it. They need that just for break in. Then fire the loads you intend to carry. Just to be sure they work well with you gun of choice.
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Re: Any CCW people here?
« Reply #40 on: November 29, 2016, 09:52:01 AM »
Good advice Shuffler, never trust a firearm that you haven't put a significant amount of ammunition through, to confirm it functions and zeros with that ammunition.  Great example recently of this, James Yeager on his channel this year made a big deal about switching from his G19 to the new Sig320 as his CCW weapon.  Made a video and a big deal out of how he trusted it out of the box, never fired it, and slapped it into his IWB holster on camera.  Heh, next video a week later, he test fires it for the first time - very first round, wham, stovepipe malfunction.  Had he been in a real gunfight with that new unfired pistol, he would have been in a pretty bad situation having it have a malfunction like that.  Yes, it's not the worst malfunction to clear, but it's a good 2 or 3 seconds for a very switched on shooter not under stress to get that weapon back in the fight. 

Yeager made a huge mistake, carrying that thing and just trusting out of the box, and it's a good lesson that even a very experienced shooter can and will still make errors.  I don't know why he did that, the pistol had no grease/lube as far as he knew from the factory, and even though it functioned flawlessly after he did lube it up and run it hard, it's a great lesson on never, ever trusting something you haven't fired yourself a reasonable amount with the ammunition you're going to carry.

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Re: Any CCW people here?
« Reply #41 on: November 29, 2016, 09:55:53 AM »
One should never carry a semi auto that has not had at least 200 rounds minimum through it. They need that just for break in. Then fire the loads you intend to carry. Just to be sure they work well with you gun of choice.

My carry gun is also my preferred range pistol. For fun, I use FMJ, but the last magazine of every range trip is always the magazine that I carry, so I can make sure they're still running fine, as well as making sure I'm not leaving the same bullet in the magazine for years at a time.

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« Reply #42 on: November 29, 2016, 02:53:36 PM »
Depends on the time of year and where I'm going.

My rotation duty guns are:
CZ75 PCR D 9mm
Colt Commander .45 ACP
Para Ord P12 .45 ACp
Colt 1908 Vest Pocket .25ACP (Back up)
I also practice with all the above at the range on a rotational basis, min once a week (sometimes twice)
But one thing is certain, I am ALWAYS armed.
Or at the very least, within arms reach.
The exception is the office at work, they don't allow us firearms at work.

The "Why" is as follows, the Para Ord "prints" the most, so it's mostly a winter carry.
The Commander prints the least, so it's a summer attire pistol.

In the bedroom is a Remington 870 pump with buckshot (26" barrel) I don't keep any pistols or revolvers in the nightstand. Everything is either locked in the safe or locked in the center console of my SUV. The reason is, if someone should get past the security camera (monitored via email notification), get past the house alarm, get past the two dogs, and manages to ransack my house, they're only going to get a shotgun for all their trouble. All valuables are locked in a Liberty safe, that is bolted to the garage floor. I suppose they could chain it and pull it out of the bolts but that would draw a lot of attention from "stay at home" moms in my neighborhood.
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Re: Any CCW people here?
« Reply #43 on: November 29, 2016, 03:04:37 PM »
AK-47. Just doesn't fit well in my pocket.


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Re: Any CCW people here?
« Reply #44 on: November 29, 2016, 03:49:49 PM »
Depends on the time of year and where I'm going.

My rotation duty guns are:
CZ75 PCR D 9mm
Colt Commander .45 ACP
Para Ord P12 .45 ACp
Colt 1908 Vest Pocket .25ACP (Back up)
I also practice with all the above at the range on a rotational basis, min once a week (sometimes twice)
But one thing is certain, I am ALWAYS armed.
Or at the very least, within arms reach.
The exception is the office at work, they don't allow us firearms at work.

The "Why" is as follows, the Para Ord "prints" the most, so it's mostly a winter carry.
The Commander prints the least, so it's a summer attire pistol.

In the bedroom is a Remington 870 pump with buckshot (26" barrel) I don't keep any pistols or revolvers in the nightstand. Everything is either locked in the safe or locked in the center console of my SUV. The reason is, if someone should get past the security camera (monitored via email notification), get past the house alarm, get past the two dogs, and manages to ransack my house, they're only going to get a shotgun for all their trouble. All valuables are locked in a Liberty safe, that is bolted to the garage floor. I suppose they could chain it and pull it out of the bolts but that would draw a lot of attention from "stay at home" moms in my neighborhood.

We can carry at work because I say we can. We have a nice shop in a nice area. You just never know.
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