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Offline Puma44

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Re: Flight characteristics of the F-4 Phantom
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2017, 07:07:43 PM »
Thanks!  Got a good look at the video.

Another advantage to E with slats is that when they programmed out the jet would dig in with an additional 1/3 of a G.  With practice that could be used to expidite a turn around the corner.

I recognize Ed's name but, don't remember from where.  I have slept a few times since my Rhino days.

In its time the Rhino was king. Anything that could be physically strapped on could be taken out and dropped on someone's head.  One of my favorite mud beater weapons was the 2,000 pound bomb with a laser guidance package on the nose.  The max carriage limit was 600 knots.  Of course, I always tried to be right at 600 knots at pickle time. 

And then there's the E model and it 6,000 rpm 20mm cannon.  Developed during Vietnam to counter the tighter turning Migs and less than stellar missle pk in turning fights.  The gun was a lot of fun to strafe with and shoot at towed targets.  In the air to air arena, we planned on 3 two second bursts before the 640+ rounds were expended.  On the bombing range  when strafing, we would have friendly bets on who could expend the least amount of rounds per pass.
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Re: Flight characteristics of the F-4 Phantom
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2017, 07:15:18 PM »
That's funny.  What a hoot that must have been.

Ed flew a tour in 105s then came back for a second one in F-4s.  Wrote a book about each (WHEN THUNDER ROLLED and PALACE COBRA, respectively).   Also helped Christina Olds with her book about Robin, her dad.

Ed in Vietnam. 



To hear guys tell it he was a fighter pilot's fighter pilot. 

Any way, thanks for sharing.   Good stuff.  :salute

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Re: Flight characteristics of the F-4 Phantom
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2017, 07:16:08 PM »


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Re: Flight characteristics of the F-4 Phantom
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2017, 07:18:53 PM »
Paging Puma....Puma.... :devil




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Hey ya Morf!  Yer still using a pager?!  Didn't they stop using those back in the 20th century?  :rofl  :salute



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Re: Flight characteristics of the F-4 Phantom
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2017, 07:23:35 PM »
That's funny.  What a hoot that must have been.

Ed flew a tour in 105s then came back for a second one in F-4s.  Wrote a book about each (WHEN THUNDER ROLLED and PALACE COBRA, respectively).   Also helped Christina Olds with her book about Robin, her dad.

Ed in Vietnam. 

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To hear guys tell it he was a fighter pilot's fighter pilot. 

Any way, thanks for sharing.   Good stuff.  :salute



That's pretty cool!  He got to fly two of the work horses of their time, and in the same war. 

Always glad to share the good times!   :salute



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Re: Flight characteristics of the F-4 Phantom
« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2017, 07:32:26 PM »
Hey ya Morf!  Yer still using a pager?!  Didn't they stop using those back in the 20th century?  :rofl  :salute



  Ya I'm just that old.......... :o  Atleast I didnt say Paging Mike Hunt,that sound special over a PA..... :rofl :rofl :rofl


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Re: Flight characteristics of the F-4 Phantom
« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2017, 07:42:07 PM »


  Ya I'm just that old.......... :o  Atleast I didnt say Paging Mike Hunt,that sound special over a PA..... :rofl :rofl :rofl


  Hope all's well with you and yours!



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I heard that guy get paged in a Las Vegas casino once.

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Re: Flight characteristics of the F-4 Phantom
« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2017, 08:16:33 PM »
That's pretty cool!  He got to fly two of the work horses of their time, and in the same war. 

Always glad to share the good times!   :salute

Yeah, he magaed to finagle his way back over there in '72 and '73 (F-4E) before they pulled the plug.    He served in all sorts of assignments, retiring in 1987.  You might have crossed paths. 
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Re: Flight characteristics of the F-4 Phantom
« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2017, 09:43:47 AM »
Quite possibly.  Flew my last Rhino flight in 87.



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Re: Flight characteristics of the F-4 Phantom
« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2017, 10:58:34 AM »
Quite possibly.  Flew my last Rhino flight in 87.

I always thought the Rhino nickname started with the Marines.   Is that right best you can tell?   I still grin every time I hear or read it.   So appropriate. 
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Re: Flight characteristics of the F-4 Phantom
« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2017, 01:58:33 PM »
Pretty much everyone I was around in the AF called it the Rhino at one time or another.



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Re: Flight characteristics of the F-4 Phantom
« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2017, 04:31:08 PM »
The F-4 was undoubtedly the best fighter-bomber of its generation. The Mig-21 might have been a better point interceptor, but Soviet doctrine and substandard weapons let it down. In my opinion the best interceptor and air superiority fighter of that generation was the Mirage III. Amazing aircraft, even today.

https://youtu.be/MQU1f_bgPFE?t=11
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Re: Flight characteristics of the F-4 Phantom
« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2017, 06:14:50 PM »
The F-4 was undoubtedly the best fighter-bomber of its generation. The Mig-21 might have been a better point interceptor, but Soviet doctrine and substandard weapons let it down. In my opinion the best interceptor and air superiority fighter of that generation was the Mirage III. Amazing aircraft, even today.

https://youtu.be/MQU1f_bgPFE?t=11

Was it ever flight tested against the F-4, F-106, Mig-21, or other similar wing configuration?



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Re: Flight characteristics of the F-4 Phantom
« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2017, 10:39:00 AM »
I doubt it ever fought an F-4 in anything other than training, but against the Mig-21 and other types the Mirage III made many Israeli aces in the 60s and 70s.



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Re: Flight characteristics of the F-4 Phantom
« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2017, 11:03:06 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNucO0IZ0EU

Good documentary on the Israeli experience with the Mirage. The animations are cartoonish, but there are some great interviews with Israeli pilots.
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