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Offline Fencer51

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Re: "Horse's Itch" - 357th FG, 363 FS - P-51D
« Reply #135 on: April 12, 2017, 05:52:07 AM »
I just noticed that you have a redish stain flowing aft from the fusalage tank fueling point.

Should not fuel spilling during fueling drop down?

Also what is that black circle on the left wing near-on the white ID stripe?

Overall one of your best skins, nicely done.
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Re: "Horse's Itch" - 357th FG, 363 FS - P-51D
« Reply #136 on: April 12, 2017, 06:58:58 AM »
It is Vraciu's best work I think.  Great-looking subject and nicely done.

The black circle, I think, is an attachment point for a grounding cable (or whatever it is they use) for use during fueling.
I've seen them labeled "GROUND HERE" and they seem to be near each fuel filler cap.

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Re: "Horse's Itch" - 357th FG, 363 FS - P-51D
« Reply #137 on: April 12, 2017, 08:19:50 AM »
 Yes grounding points, but they appear on only warbirds, period aircraft do not have them afaik.
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Re: "Horse's Itch" - 357th FG, 363 FS - P-51D
« Reply #138 on: April 12, 2017, 10:05:08 AM »
I just noticed that you have a redish stain flowing aft from the fusalage tank fueling point.

Should not fuel spilling during fueling drop down?

Also what is that black circle on the left wing near-on the white ID stripe?

Overall one of your best skins, nicely done.

Thanks Fencer.   I appreciate that. 

I went with the stain running aft to represent air flow as if a tiny bit of the fuel is coming put of the cap in flight.   

The grounding points were mentioned by oboe.   I will do some additional research on those.

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Re: "Horse's Itch" - 357th FG, 363 FS - P-51D
« Reply #139 on: April 12, 2017, 10:06:23 AM »
It is Vraciu's best work I think.  Great-looking subject and nicely done.

The black circle, I think, is an attachment point for a grounding cable (or whatever it is they use) for use during fueling.
I've seen them labeled "GROUND HERE" and they seem to be near each fuel filler cap.


Thanks, bro!   :salute
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Re: "Horse's Itch" - 357th FG, 363 FS - P-51D
« Reply #140 on: April 12, 2017, 10:15:21 AM »
I wish this photo was a bit larger...



Here's a shot that shows two in the same place as the underside.  Were these filled?







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Re: "Horse's Itch" - 357th FG, 363 FS - P-51D
« Reply #141 on: April 12, 2017, 10:54:05 AM »
Those are bolts, 3 total per side, attaching the wing to the fuselage.  Here is a photo showing Preddy's plane with the three bolts visible.
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Re: "Horse's Itch" - 357th FG, 363 FS - P-51D
« Reply #142 on: April 12, 2017, 01:19:04 PM »
Yes grounding points, but they appear on only warbirds, period aircraft do not have them afaik.

I can see it on some wartime photos. I do not see it on "Horse's Itch" however.







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Re: "Horse's Itch" - 357th FG, 363 FS - P-51D
« Reply #143 on: April 12, 2017, 02:42:42 PM »
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Re: "Horse's Itch" - 357th FG, 363 FS - P-51D
« Reply #144 on: April 12, 2017, 05:14:21 PM »
I'd lose the grounding point on the white ID band.  New production airplanes had all their stencils in place, as do most modern warbird restorations.  I'd be hard pressed to think the 357th would have taken the time to re stencil things like that when they painted the 51s.

Most 51s that weren't painted had silver painted wings to start but ended up with that paint wearing off as well.  Airframe life on operations was never going to be too long and there were too many other things to do besides paint :)
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Re: "Horse's Itch" - 357th FG, 363 FS - P-51D
« Reply #146 on: April 13, 2017, 05:43:25 PM »
KOWABUNGA!!!! Vraciu...... :salute
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Re: "Horse's Itch" - 357th FG, 363 FS - P-51D
« Reply #147 on: April 13, 2017, 06:04:01 PM »
KOWABUNGA!!!! Vraciu...... :salute

Thank you kindly, sir. 
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Re: "Horse's Itch" - 357th FG, 363 FS - P-51D
« Reply #148 on: April 13, 2017, 06:04:34 PM »
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Re: "Horse's Itch" - 357th FG, 363 FS - P-51D
« Reply #149 on: April 13, 2017, 06:11:08 PM »
I'd lose the grounding point on the white ID band.  New production airplanes had all their stencils in place, as do most modern warbird restorations.  I'd be hard pressed to think the 357th would have taken the time to re stencil things like that when they painted the 51s.

Most 51s that weren't painted had silver painted wings to start but ended up with that paint wearing off as well.  Airframe life on operations was never going to be too long and there were too many other things to do besides paint :)

Many stencils were reapplied including some on this airplane.  That said I went with a compromise.   I put a grounding port just outboard of the stripe with no markings. 

I also added the bolt holes Fencer showed us.   It looks better than a plain OD wing that way...

I'll post one more set of photos for review then it goes to the update queue. 
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