Interesting article

[Denniss]

On the other hand, in Upper Silesia, they overran Panzer Factories, untouched and still operating. Freshly painted Primer Yellow Panther tanks waiting to be loaded, on Trains that never Arrived. All the management ran, left the technicians and slave laborers to surrender.

There was no Panther (not even tank) factory in this area although there may have been chassis/superstructue component facs there. What you might have seen was likely just a hull.

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Add to that, the 262 was  hard to be successful in, when experienced 262-converted bomber pilots that flew them, where not successful at all, and novice pilots where out of question, due to the 262 high wing-loading and high closure to targets.

Only Experten fighter pilots with many combat hours proved the 262 to be a deadly weapon,

I disagree with your conclusions. There's at least one other I can think of directly killed by strategic bombing: The Ta-154. It was shaping up to be a quite powerful aircraft but destruction of its glue literally killed the plane. Replacement glues were eating the wood away so it was cancelled directly due to bombing results. There are other examples I'm sure, but I can think of that off the top of my head.

Also, one must consider what disruption means. Look at bombing RAF radar towers in the BOB. You can obliterate them but it's such basic technology and so simple a concept it's like trying to destroy production of the wheel. You might, but it's just too easy to start over again with almost no capital or no preparation. Same with refineries... What are they? Essentially just a cookpot. You cook the crude until you get different separations of different resources. You can bomb it flat, but guess what? Get a few containers together, slap a few pipes on them, and you can get it running again. Bombing refineries wasn't really as much a goal as it was destroying the reserve tanks nearby the refineries waiting to be distributed after the refinery had done its work. THAT had a very real effect on the German forces throughout the middle-to-later parts of the war. Tanks ground to a halt through lack of fuel. Jet fighters sitting dormant, unable to use their 30mms against bombers, because they just didn't have the fuel to take off. THAT was a very real effect that didn't require Soviet troops on the ground to disrupt.

By extension there are multiple other arguments to be made that show strategic disruption had a very real effect on the war.

[PR3D4TOR]

That is not quite correct Save. Many 262 pilots had very few kills before converting to 262s and were successful. The first jet fighter ace in history, Alfred Schreiber, had no kills prior to flying the 262. Looking at the list of 262 aces about half of them have no kills or only a handful of kills in other types.

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The FW190A9 used both steel and wood propellers, sometimes rebuilt from damaged 190a8's, almost all produced (about 900 of them) where all-weather fighters with the TS engine, many did not see any combat due to fuel shortages.

The TS engine was said to always have power on tap, compared with the A8 (resource : Focke-Wulf 190 volume 3).

[Ack-Ack]

That is not quite correct Save. Many 262 pilots had very few kills before converting to 262s and were successful. The first jet fighter ace in history, Alfred Schreiber, had no kills prior to flying the 262. Looking at the list of 262 aces about half of them have no kills or only a handful of kills in other types.

Schreiber was also a highly experienced pilot before transitioning to the Me 262.

[PR3D4TOR]

No air to air combat to speak of. I'm sure he could fly the 262, but that's not what we're discussing here. He was 21 at the time, not sure how experienced he could be... And he crashed it on landing in November '44 and killed himself.

[MiloMorai]

No air to air combat to speak of. I'm sure he could fly the 262, but that's not what we're discussing here. He was 21 at the time, not sure how experienced he could be... And he crashed it on landing in November '44 and killed himself.

His wheels caught the lip of a slit trench, causing his Me 262 to cartwheel.

[PR3D4TOR]

In other words he missed the runway.

[Ack-Ack]

No air to air combat to speak of. I'm sure he could fly the 262, but that's not what we're discussing here. He was 21 at the time, not sure how experienced he could be... And he crashed it on landing in November '44 and killed himself.

He flew with Zerstörergeschwader 26, which I believe at the time when he was with that unit it was involved in the air defense of Germany against the Allied bomber streams.

[MiloMorai]

In other words he missed the runway.

Possibly but could be any number of other reasons Like a blown or flat tire that caused the a/c to swerve.

[PR3D4TOR]

Regardless, the fact remains he crashed on landing. Point is that while Schreiber wasn't a complete greenhorn he also wasn't a "highly experienced pilot" and certainly not an experten. At this time in the war the quality of his training would also be suspect. Yet he was successful in the 262 and became the first jet ace in history.

[MiloMorai]

Experts crashed on landing as well.

[PR3D4TOR]

Do you think Schreiber was an expert?

[EagleDNY]

Experts crashed on landing as well.

Read some of the pilot reports on the 262s flight testing - it is a miracle a lot more of them didn't die.  The engines had "issues" - due both to the basic early flow design and the use of cheap materials in the turbine blades.  The couldn't change the design of the engines, so they documented the flaws and taught pilots how to deal with them.   

[Serenity]

The couldn't change the design of the engines, so they documented the flaws and taught pilots how to deal with them.

Still true today lol