"FOTO JO" Armed recon P-38.

[Devil 505]

The recce 38s were by far the fastest 38s and part of that was due to the removal of the extra weight of armor plate and guns.  The recce pilots were trained to run away not engage.

Anyone see a gun sight in the cockpit photos of FOTO JO?

I cant tell if there is or isn't one.

Few more images.

[lyric1]

Anyone see a gun sight in the cockpit photos of FOTO JO?

Not sure either?
New image I found I cant tell.



Would not be the first in WWII to try shooting things down without one though.





Another view of that droop snoot.

[lyric1]

I cant tell if there is or isn't one.

I think this confirms it?



http://www.ebay.com/itm/P-38-LIGHTNING-WW2-FIGHTER-GUNSIGHT-MOUNTING-BRACKET-/110429361254

[lyric1]

The question then is will HTC allow the skinning of a one off or very limited field modified airplane?

Should the only requirement was no unarmed photo recon aircraft.

[Vraciu]

Gun sight?  Yes.   IMO.  At a glance. 

[Guppy35]

Should the only requirement was no unarmed photo recon aircraft.

Again, understand I'm a 38 junkie.  I'm not anti 38.  What you seem to point out in the one image is the armor glass not the gun sight.  At least thats all i can see.  As for field modifications, I seem to recall that HTC wasn't going to do that.  I remember there was a fuss about the depot modded B25C gunships when they were coming out for that reason.  Some argued against the Malcom hood for that reason.

None of those were one off modifications so I think that's why they were OK.  We're really talking about one or two possible recce Lightnings that we believe may or may not have had 2 50s.  How do you work that in game?  Shut off 2 Mgs and the cannon? 

I don't care either way if HTC is OK with it. It's not up to me.  If we allow recce paint jobs I'm much prefer the haze paint or PRU blue 38s since that's at least something different.  This particular paint scheme is not unique enough to make me want to fly it and I fly the 38G almost exclusively.

So it seems to come down to whether or not 1-this is actually a working gunned 38 and 2-will HTC allow a field modded recce 38 skin in game?

[lyric1]

We're really talking about one or two possible recce Lightnings that we believe may or may not have had 2 50s.  How do you work that in game?  Shut off 2 Mgs and the cannon? 

I don't care either way if HTC is OK with it. It's not up to me.  If we allow recce paint jobs I'm much prefer the haze paint or PRU blue 38s since that's at least something different.  This particular paint scheme is not unique enough to make me want to fly it and I fly the 38G almost exclusively.

So it seems to come down to whether or not 1-this is actually a working gunned 38 and 2-will HTC allow a field modded recce 38 skin in game?

Well we do have a couple of precedents that come to mind.

Two B-29's that are in game.
ENOLA GAY & BOCKSCAR.
There would be a few others that come to mind as well.




 

[lyric1]

We're really talking about one or two possible recce Lightnings that we believe may or may not have had 2 50s.

They did the link you provided actually talks about it.

http://www.9th.photorecon.org/html/DuncansHotRod.html.html



Also this aircraft was lost in action.

http://www.9th.photorecon.org/html/AircraftSerialNumbers.html



I was playing about with one of the known photos of Foto Jo & I found what looks like a gun sight in the dead center just in front of the armour plate glass.
Its not very clear but I don't know what else would be in this position on a P-38.






The style of gun sight I listed before would be wrong as it was attached to the glass itself with three screws. Those aircraft that had this had the flat glass. Foto Jo has a curved sheet up front therefor no three screw attachment.

 



I am guessing it was mounted on a bar like this drawing.

[lyric1]

Also I believe that slot in the middle is the 20mm cannon ejection chute were the shells are stored in a chamber.  It looks like that is where the cannon belt feed magazine is attached above that chamber.

Another drawing showing the 20mm chute assembly.




Looks to be a 20mm ejection chute door.



Best views I can find of the chamber that stored the shells.

[Guppy35]

As I said.  It all comes down to if HTC will allow it.

I'd also ask if folks think the color scheme itself is unique enough to make it something folks would fly?

Seems to me that trying to convince them to let an all black P-38M be skinned on the L would be a better bet as at least you'd have a skin that really stood out

[lyric1]

Seems to me that trying to convince them to let an all black P-38M be skinned on the L would be a better bet as at least you'd have a skin that really stood out

I have done the black P-38 in the past.
6th NFS that became the the 418th NFS.

[lyric1]

I was playing about with one of the known photos of Foto Jo & I found what looks like a gun sight in the dead center just in front of the armour plate glass.

I believe I have found the style of gun sight used here.
It is this type.







Other photos with similar arrangement.

[lyric1]

I have done the black P-38 in the past.
6th NFS that became the the 418th NFS.

They had two black ones only have complete photos of the first profile.

[lyric1]

Screw you Photobucket not paying $400.00 a year.

[Krusty]

As I said.  It all comes down to if HTC will allow it.

I'd also ask if folks think the color scheme itself is unique enough to make it something folks would fly?

Seems to me that trying to convince them to let an all black P-38M be skinned on the L would be a better bet as at least you'd have a skin that really stood out

Since you asked: No to this skin. No to the black P-38. I was glad when we got that pulled from the game. Let's not take a step backward.