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Offline Oldman731

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Re: WWII Aviation Books
« Reply #30 on: May 27, 2017, 10:33:43 PM »
But I believe what he wrote in the book is factual. 


Well, then, enjoy!

As you go through it again, though, you might ask yourself:  Is there any third-party confirmation for all the (very many) brags...?

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Re: WWII Aviation Books
« Reply #31 on: May 27, 2017, 10:35:39 PM »

Well, then, enjoy!

As you go through it again, though, you might ask yourself:  Is there any third-party confirmation for all the (very many) brags...?

- oldman (I fought off the Russian army with my bare fists, too bad all the witnesses are dead...) (no, really!)

German and Russian records certainly substantiate his claims well within reason.    I see absolutely nothing outrageous in what he said happened.   

There is not one scholar of merit that has cast doubt upon Rudel's war record or heroism.

Looks to me like someone is a tad jealous--or driven by an agenda.   The guy was a true believer Nazi.   That's not good.   But he was a brave warrior and his perspective on the events of the Eastern Front--micro- and macro-level--is enlightening to say the least. 
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Re: WWII Aviation Books
« Reply #32 on: May 27, 2017, 11:25:52 PM »
German and Russian records certainly substantiate his claims well within reason.   


News to me!  Could you give me some citations please?

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« Reply #33 on: May 28, 2017, 12:09:36 AM »

News to me!  Could you give me some citations please?

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Yeah, I could. 

How about you provide some instead?   You're the one casting aspersions on his record.   Prove it.
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« Reply #34 on: May 28, 2017, 03:38:04 PM »
Shattered Sword author Jonathan Parshall did a great prez to the National WWII Museum Organization on youtube that discusses his book: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23vL8AvqbDc

Watched this one and another that is about an hour long.   Good stuff.  Thanks for sharing.
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« Reply #35 on: May 28, 2017, 06:40:59 PM »
How about you provide some instead?   You're the one casting aspersions on his record.   Prove it.


OK.  You can start here, there are links to other threads:

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=172571

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« Reply #36 on: May 28, 2017, 06:53:45 PM »

OK.  You can start here, there are links to other threads:

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=172571

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Already read it.  Speculation.  Not facts.

Try again.

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Re: WWII Aviation Books
« Reply #37 on: May 28, 2017, 07:18:36 PM »
I always knew the IJN and IJA wasnt exactly friendly but I never knew the IJA only used their own transports for operations. The level of distrust and lack of cooperation was unbelievable between the two services. I can only imagine the USMC , USA,and USN distrusting each other so much they refused to sail with each other.

Also their arrogance was off the charts. I suppose they deserved to feel a certain amount after those months of basically doing what they wanted when they wanted. Hitting Pearl, grabbing Singapore, sinking the RNs best BBs, raging thru the Phillipines and Burma, but still they were way to contemptuous of their enemy. Like Hitler with Russia.

The entire Midway scheme was fundamentally flawed from the very beginning. Say they only grabbed Midway? well now what? They had Hawaii to deal with while having a very long supply/communication line to keep open. And since Hawaii produced squat for food even if they had been able to grab that, which is very doubtful, then once again they had a hugely extended supply line and not the shipping or convoying assets to keep it going.

Those USN flat tops were the ONLY target worth going after but very few saw it and none in the army. Then, and I knew this but not the extent, they bled off so many resources to go after the Aleutians. No wonder the falsehood came out that the Aleutians was a feint because there was nothing to be gained by attacking them. These two operations used more fuel then an entire year of IJN operations prior.
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Re: WWII Aviation Books
« Reply #38 on: May 28, 2017, 08:26:13 PM »
Already read it.  Speculation.  Not facts.

Try again.


I'm sorry, but that's not how the game is played!  You challenged me, I responded.  Now it's your turn!

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Re: WWII Aviation Books
« Reply #39 on: May 29, 2017, 03:18:25 AM »

I'm sorry, but that's not how the game is played!  You challenged me, I responded.  Now it's your turn!

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You failed. 

Zero facts.   No evidence. 
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« Reply #40 on: May 29, 2017, 09:29:37 AM »
You failed. 

Zero facts.   No evidence. 
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You crack me up Vraciu.  :D
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