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Offline Pudgie

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Re: Ping Time vs Bandwidth?
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2017, 03:57:08 PM »
That is one of the first things I do when I setup a computer.  Completely disable Windows QoS.  It just adds overhead.

Is there any other place to do this in Windows other than uncheck the checkbox to the QoS Packet Scheduler?

Just want to be sure that this is the only setting necessary to disable QoS in Windows.

Appreciate any info given.

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Re: Ping Time vs Bandwidth?
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2017, 09:53:25 AM »
So turning this off is preferred?

 please see attachment

It was on in my windows 10 machine

Found it under Network and Sharing Center / connection Ethernet / properties

I was trying to set it on for my netgear nighthawk ac1900 router until I read this thread

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Re: Ping Time vs Bandwidth?
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2017, 02:55:29 PM »
Eagler, I went one step further and clicked Uninstall on my Win7 system. I believe that's the setting in question.

In any case it's easy to reinstall if needed.
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Re: Ping Time vs Bandwidth?
« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2017, 03:19:05 PM »
Zero packet loss is most important.  Second would be lowest ping, but higher bandwidth connections usually have lower pings anyways.

Doesn't AH use the net UDP protocol?
Unless things have changed, UDP has no error checking
and the faster of the IP protocols
Of course I have been out of the networking loop
for about 10 yrs and so I may be wrong  :noid
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Re: Ping Time vs Bandwidth?
« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2017, 03:35:25 PM »
Correct, AH uses UDP - but AH has it's own error checking within that.

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Re: Ping Time vs Bandwidth?
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2017, 06:57:02 AM »
The game uses UDP for non-essential services (like VOX).  We use TCP for the important things, like positional information.

Like Vulcan said, for any UDP packet we do our own error handling and packet ordering.
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Re: Ping Time vs Bandwidth?
« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2017, 07:07:31 PM »
Really? I thought you used UDP for positional unless it failed then fell back to TCP?

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Re: Ping Time vs Bandwidth?
« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2017, 04:05:49 PM »
It has been awhile but I recall getting "Lost udp switching to TCP"
messages... was that because of voice?

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Re: Ping Time vs Bandwidth?
« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2017, 11:08:56 AM »
Does that mean my 150 ping to arena is increased to 300 with the TCP implementation?

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Re: Ping Time vs Bandwidth?
« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2017, 11:14:19 AM »
Does that mean my 150 ping to arena is increased to 300 with the TCP implementation?

No.  There is a sliding window which allows for X number of TCP packets to be sent without an ACK.
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Re: Ping Time vs Bandwidth?
« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2017, 03:09:01 PM »
No.  There is a sliding window which allows for X number of TCP packets to be sent without an ACK.

Unless it's a Mac  :D

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Re: Ping Time vs Bandwidth?
« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2017, 03:16:29 PM »
Unless it's a Mac  :D

Did they break that in OSX, or just set it to zero?
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Re: Ping Time vs Bandwidth?
« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2017, 03:25:02 PM »
Did they break that in OSX, or just set it to zero?

Safari on OS X starts of with a TCP Window of 1.

Makes for interesting times if you have a web filter system that wants to see the entire URL before it allows/denies you access and the URL is split over 2 packets.

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Re: Ping Time vs Bandwidth?
« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2017, 03:38:26 PM »
Boneheads.
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Re: Ping Time vs Bandwidth?
« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2017, 04:33:41 PM »
I hate apple - they do stupid stuff to their network stack. Like they leak multicast/broadcast traffic across interfaces. For example if you have an iphone on your wireless network, you will see multi/broadcast traffic sourced from it's 4G IP hitting your internal wifi.