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Offline Vulcan

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Re: Best virus scanner and malware detector?
« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2017, 03:46:46 PM »
Yes your a techy in English please

Historically AV scanners used a signature to identify malware. To have a signature you always had to know about the malware. Which typically mean't some people getting infected first.

So there was a time period where people would be vulnerable to that malware - until their AV got a signature for it. Balancing this was how few truly aggressive damaging malware attacks occured. This was not too bad up until ransomware hit, then a $$$ value was attached to every potential infection.

Now we have a new piece of malware going out every second (may be lots variations on existing stuff). It's practically impossible to protect users from the thousands and thousands of malware samples coming out every day. On top of that we see at least 800 unique malware released every day (ie not variations on existing stuff). This all started going big last year.

So signature based AV has had its day (but is useful for keeping out the old riff raff).

The new AV (NGAV) uses other mechanisms to detect malware (machine learning, AI, reputation based systems) and is very effective. As part of my job I need to test malware detection rates on network gear - while doing this I get to observe how the desktop AV (3rd party) works. Microsofts AV is a dog, I saw it miss stuff for 3-4 weeks. I had one NGAV running (Cylance)  and was somewhat gobsmacked and how good it was (especially compared to signature based AV).

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Re: Best virus scanner and malware detector?
« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2017, 03:47:37 PM »
Consumer grade antivirus sucks, the stuff he's talking about is too expensive for home use.

Wiley.

It will trickle down. I think Webroot and Trend Micro do some NGAV stuff.

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Re: Best virus scanner and malware detector?
« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2017, 06:26:15 PM »
Agree with Vulcan, I'm in charge of our Cylance instance at work, 2500 endpoints, it really is amazing what it can pick up pre-execution.
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Re: Best virus scanner and malware detector?
« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2017, 02:02:20 AM »
I have not had malware for years, if you your downloading crap and watching filth on the web it's your own fault if a Nigerian takes £1000 out of your bank account :old:

I look at Walmart everyday for offers on beans and fruit and never had a issue

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Re: Best virus scanner and malware detector?
« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2017, 09:33:30 AM »
I hear what you're saving Vulcan - we see most malware payloads just stomp on the latest AV products. And I mean, just manhandle the AV product like it wasn't there. And I've seen some do an ok job at managing in pre-execution phase. But most don't do a good job if you're already infected.

Like you, we're finding that cognitive AI monitoring of systems is a far better predictor of system health than any expensive single point solution to prevent malware on your computer. We've stopped our usual habit of finding a single point solution and are looking at a platform approach to the malware problem.

The reactive nature of signature-based antivirus solutions are a waste of money. Any specific home use product you recommend?
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Re: Best virus scanner and malware detector?
« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2017, 12:14:33 PM »
Currently I'm using Webroot SecureAnywhere AV for Gamers + MS Windows Defender on my Team Red box and so far all is well.

I switched to using Webroot for my box on Vulcan's recommendation in another thread on this type of subject some time ago (approx. 8 mos ago back in 2-17 to be more precise) from Kapersky Internet Security 2016 (found it to be a MAJOR resource hog on computer resources and from Skuzzy's reporting of Kapersky being problematic w\ AH....even though I hadn't noticed any of the issues from my usage of Kapersky w\ AH at the time).

I chose to get the gamer's version of Webroot (Webroot offers several versions of AV for specific usage cases) for my usage scenario and to date this has worked out excellent for me!

Thanks again, Vulcan!

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Re: Best virus scanner and malware detector?
« Reply #36 on: September 21, 2017, 03:19:21 PM »
Home is difficult as all the good stuff is corporate focused.

As above my org change skin a bit, I lost access to cylance so started looking around. Webroot seemed closest. But check it out yourself first (see if they have a free demo).

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Re: Best virus scanner and malware detector?
« Reply #37 on: September 26, 2017, 06:38:42 PM »
On Win 7 I ran AVG and Malwarebytes. Both paid and inexpensive. On Win 10 I run the on board Defender and Malwarebytes.

Seems to work fine.

AVG is worthless.  I have made a lot of money over the years cleaning viruses and malware off people who thought that AVG was protecting them.

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Re: Best virus scanner and malware detector?
« Reply #38 on: September 26, 2017, 06:51:22 PM »
It will trickle down. I think Webroot and Trend Micro do some NGAV stuff.

I use Webroot SecureAnywhere - actually we use the enterprise product that has a console that allows us to monitor and remediate in real time, but the consumer product is the same engine.   Webroot is cloud based so threats are identified and kept updated in real time, and it isn't a resource hog.  Been using it on my gaming rig for over 2 years now, and no problems with AH.   The malware and phishing protection works well if you allow them to add the plugin to your browser (it will check sites and warn you if anything is dodgy), and it has some nice utilities for cleaning up bloat and looking over the processes on your PC. 
We researched and went with Webroot after our last AV product failed to keep some people from getting cryptolockered.   Two and half years running with it and nobody has been crypto'ed since we made the switch. 

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Re: Best virus scanner and malware detector?
« Reply #39 on: September 28, 2017, 09:37:59 AM »
I use AVG, in 12 years I have had only 1 time I had to wipe the drive clean and start over.  For 50 USD it does everything.  Email, Firewall, rootkits, malware, cookies, etc etc.   :ahand
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Re: Best virus scanner and malware detector?
« Reply #40 on: September 29, 2017, 04:24:40 PM »
If you clicked on any of the links in this thread...... :bhead :bhead :bhead
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Re: Best virus scanner and malware detector?
« Reply #41 on: September 30, 2017, 06:56:55 PM »
I use AVG, in 12 years I have had only 1 time I had to wipe the drive clean and start over.  For 50 USD it does everything.  Email, Firewall, rootkits, malware, cookies, etc etc.   :ahand

That is funny because I've probably made $5,000 USD fixing people who got blasted running AVG.  I tend towards Webroot, Trend Micro, then BitDefender as the most useful AV/AM programs at the moment.