Allies

[LilMak]

Please update your commitment levels. We were outnumbered in a frame where we were supposed to have a 10% numbers advantage. But we're down by 10 at the opening of the frame. That means the Luftwaffe had 30 more fighters than we did this week. I know it's hard to herd cats but please try to keep up. Last week I assigned 10 bombers to 2 squads and still had to pull from others to try to get out minimums. This is not acceptable.

[perdue3]

Please update your commitment levels. We were outnumbered in a frame where we were supposed to have a 10% numbers advantage. But we're down by 10 at the opening of the frame. That means the Luftwaffe had 30 more fighters than we did this week. I know it's hard to herd cats but please try to keep up. Last week I assigned 10 bombers to 2 squads and still had to pull from others to try to get out minimums. This is not acceptable.

I agree Mak, we Luftwaffe pilots need more kills. Please show up Allies 

[APDrone]

The single side defending model has gotten old.

It leads itself to unbalanced fights.  Especially when the bombers involved are not 17s and 24s. 

I understand/accept it for BoB.

It's not necessary anywhere else.

[Spikes]

The single side defending model has gotten old.

It leads itself to unbalanced fights.  Especially when the bombers involved are not 17s and 24s. 

I understand/accept it for BoB.

It's not necessary anywhere else.

Germany spent half of the war defending against bombing raids...

[waystin2]

The single side defending model has gotten old.

It leads itself to unbalanced fights.  Especially when the bombers involved are not 17s and 24s. 

I understand/accept it for BoB.

It's not necessary anywhere else.

I agree and have said this before.   Setups that have both sides attacking and defending are the most balanced.   I really do not care if there is historical accuracy or not.  I just like the two sides matched up against each other in the most equal terms.  One side defending creates a dogpile of defenders waiting at the target. When both sides have attack and defend responsibilities it spreads the fights out a bit.

[j500ss]

Germany spent half of the war defending against bombing raids...

True, and outnumbered as I recall.

FSO isn't working anymore, need proof?   Look at the threads started in this forum over the last...... Lets say 3 months.

Essentially no one even talks about it now, not even questions from "new players" to me seems troublesome.

Numbers last night, 90 vs 82.

When I saw objectives on Sunday, I knew exactly what was going to happen.   It's an easy script.   Not a dam thing I could do about it either, the rules, setup, targets, plane availability, and simple math just don't allow for it.   

I would expect frame 3 to be the same basically, except that the Axis will most likely have Spit 9's to shoot at which should make for a refreshing change of pace.

To last nights Allied squads efforts, I thank you!   I wish I could have done more to help with your survival.

 

Jdog

[JunkyII]

Maybe I shouldn't have recruited that new steam player to fly with our squad on AXIS.....

[Nefarious]

The numbers weren't really that far off from the initial side split and both sides had issues. EDIT: Claim Jumpers were 1 below Minumum, Duxford Wing RAF was within Minimum. Missed the colors.



1841 Squadron is a habitual 1 pilot squad. When I admin an FSO tour, I typically stick them in the side I want to have less numbers. Because I know they typically bring 1-2 pilots. I would have placed them Axis this month.

I like assault style setups, I believe they have a place in FSO and other events. Battle of Britain and 8th Air Force style events are the most common and should be set up like that, kind of silly to do it any other way. That being said, as long as they are rotated and not several months in a row of that (like we had earlier this year) I am ok with the occasional assault setup.

Just get the numbers right going into it. The Allies should have a numbers advantage, both sides need to have the single engine fighters equal or a slight Luftwaffe advantage made with destroyer aircraft. The remainder of Allied pilots should be bombers @ around 20-24.

[KCDitto]

I cannot speak to the northern attack with the B-17s.   

But the southern attack with the B-26's had a LOT of SPITFIRES around them. As one of the guys in this game who I think is one of the best I have ever flown with in squad level tactics (Stampf) once told me, you are not going to stop the first pass on the bombers, it is best to set up defense to catch them after the pass and keep them from getting a second one.   

I don't think it is broken, I am sorry you do not like this set up but many of us enjoy the MID to LATE war Europe fights. I for one do. There are many set ups that I absolutely hate (PTO) but I fly them anyway, even when my night is over in literally a BLAZE of glory, 50 minutes in.   

I think there are a lot of reasons the numbers are low, but I would say the this type of set up is very low on that list as to why.

Anyway, big thanks to those that put in all the effort that goes into making Friday nights something to look forward to every week.   

Here is a view from my plane last night......  enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0-anUsVbIM&feature=youtu.be


Thanks to 9GIAP and Dantoo for keeping the vulchers off.

[Devil 505]

I cannot speak to the northern attack with the B-17s...   

Perdweeb put it best as we were landing after witnessing the slaughter of the B-17's targeting A112: A film of this mission will clearly illustrate 2 things - 1. how to set up and execute a proper defense against heavy bombers, and 2. how not to escort heavy bombers.


Now this was said before the logs were posted and it is clear now that the Allies had an manpower deficiency that exacerbated any poor strategic and tactical decisions.

[JunkyII]

I'll say this the escorts were not very high, so us 109s could push them down and they were far back from the bombers...kinda hard for the buffs when they are the initial contact.

But I do believe attacking sides vs defending need the numbers...heck that's a law of war.

[LilMak]

Perdweeb put it best as we were landing after witnessing the slaughter of the B-17's targeting A112: A film of this mission will clearly illustrate 2 things - 1. how to set up and execute a proper defense against heavy bombers, and 2. how not to escort heavy bombers.
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Now this was said before the logs were posted and it is clear now that the Allies had an manpower deficiency that exacerbated any poor strategic and tactical decisions.

Give me the 30 extra fighters you had and I doubt you would be so confident.

[captain1ma]

having been in their position, I felt bad for the guys in the bombers! on the other hand, shooting a few of them down brought me lots of satisfaction.

I know there are folks that worry about side numbers, squad numbers, fairness, equality, balance and historical value. luckily I'm not one of them. I just like to kill or
be killed, its all about the fun!

[Devil 505]

Give me the 30 extra fighters you had and I doubt you would be so confident.

Reread my last sentence and I think you'll find that I'm agreeing with your OP. No Allied plan would have made the attacks successful last night given Allied manpower shortage. The fact that escorts were so easily stripped away from their charges only made thing easier for the Axis.

Player attendance has become increasingly more of a major factor in determining a frame's success. Remember last year that I outlined how the traditional 55/45 side split applied to an assault design resulted in defender losses over 60% because a gross manpower shortage was essentially built into the design. 

[Biggamer]

i wonder why keep catering to axis squads soon enough they will have the sand box to them selves