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Offline Ripsnort

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Reloading for a 115 year old rifle cartridge
« on: November 09, 2017, 01:01:29 PM »
The history of cartridges has been a fascinating study for me as I am into my 3rd year of hand loading and have to date hand loaded 16 different cartridges dating back to the 1873 and including black powder cartridges as well as smokeless.

In this particular case below, I came across a 1913 Savage 99 in 22 Hi Power lever action rifle.

Charles Newton was a lawyer and a firearms enthusiast that invented a number of cartridges but mostly known for the 22 Hi Power and the .250-3000
Newton had several businesses in his lifetime, Newton Arms Company,Buffalo Newton Rifle Company and LeverBolt Rifle Company around the turn of the 19th century.
Savage Firearms company adopted his 22 HP and .250-3000, the latter being the first commercial rifle projectile to travel over 3000 fps. Around this same time Newton created  the .22 Newton which eventually became the inspiration for the .22-250. 22 HP and .22-250 are essentially distance kissing cousins.

In 1912, Savage adopted the 22 Hi Power for the venerable Savage 99 which used a 70 gr jacked projectile. The 22 HP was the first truly high velocity centerfire cartridges. It was primarily advertised as a small game round but later touted as a medium game (Deer) round although it fell short of getting enough pentration to kill a deer without a lucky shot leaving many wounded game thus all 50 states banned the 22 Hi Power and cartridges in similar size for hunting med to large game.  Savage even went as far as marketing the 22 Hi Power as an a tiger killer. see Photo.

Today, there is no manufactured ammunition for the 22 hp whose dimensional name is 5.6×52Rmm. The last company to make 22 HP ammunition was Sellier and Bellot and their ammunition has a reputation for shooting a"shotgun pattern" due to the tumbling of this VERY unstable round.
The rest of this post is my journey with a 104 year old Savage 99H 22 Hi Power firearm and reloading for this unique wildcat round.

As you can see in this first photo, the Sellier and Bellot (SP) ammo is like a shotgun pattern. This is a VERY unstable round with evidence of bullets tumbling as they hit paper at 50 yards using a 1913 Savage 99H 22 High Power with a Marbles Peep sight.



I spoke with several Savage experts specifically about this round and decided on a cast lead -gas checked bullet that is still made today. I was given instructions to scrub every bit of copper out of the barrel on my 1913 22 HP and boy oh boy did it bleed blue!


I contacted The Bull Shop in Montana and low/behold, he casts a 64 grain gas checked, lubed .228 bullet. Boom! Bought 100 for $25 including shipping.


I loaded 10 test rounds with no filler or wad, using a super low dose of BLC(2) in 19 grains, a Lg Rifle primer case up in Sellier and Bellot spent brass that has been neck annealed and trimmed. Then I proceeded to the range. The results from the first photo, compared to this photo is remarkable. Granted, I was looking for a closer grouping than the Sellior and Bellot(not adjusting the peep sight), and was pleasantly pleased with the results. The first two shots were low (Fouling shots if you will), then the grouping started appearing.


Pleased with the results and great information from the savage experts out there, I proceeded to use my Drill press CTS Case trimmer (.223 )to trim the brass to 2.045 and then chamfered, and steel-pin tumbled for 90 minutes and annealed the rest of the brass.


Using mutliple sources and word of mouth (including Load Data website, which as been my "Go To" analysis along with 3 different manuals,) I decided to try another 10 rounds at 23.1 grains of BLC-2 for my next outing. It is recommended not to exceed 25 grs of BLC(2) with a lead cast gas checked bullet.

I'm certain I can get these groups tighter with the 104 year old rifle! I find great pleasure in researching and testing these wild cat cartridges in the field. My next outing I will chrono these rounds.. I'm looking for 2200 fps for this old bang stick, and no more!




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Re: Reloading for a 115 year old rifle cartridge
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2017, 04:04:40 PM »
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Re: Reloading for a 115 year old rifle cartridge
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2017, 05:59:58 PM »
My Dad had a Savage Model 99 in .303 Savage.  I noticed the primers were partially backed out on his fired cases, and told him I thought he should have it looked at by a gunsmith, since that signaled headspace issues to me.  Unfortunately he got rid of the rifle afterwards.  Was a nice rifle with the very cool little round counter window.

I also had a fun encounter with a young man who killed his first bull elk, after I bumped it from it's bed uphill from him.  He was hunting with his recently inherited granddad's Model 99 Savage.  It was his first elk.  I ended up talking him through him field dressing it.  I could have done it much more quickly myself, but figured he'd reatain it better doing himself "hands on"....and in.  He had a new knife that was dull, so I loaned him my knife.   He was confident his help was soon to arrive to help him get the critter off the mountain, so I left after he had it dressed and explained how to open the hide along the shoulder to cool should he have to leave it for a bit.

Sounds like you're really getting into the handloading.  I did it for some years; when I gave it up I was shocked by how large my groups got using factory ammo.  Took a lot of trail and error to find factory ammo that gave me good precision.

Good luck with that Ripsnort!