Author Topic: Capt. Frank Bertciel - P-51D "Miss Velma" (CY-D) - 55th FG, 343rd FS - AH3 Rev  (Read 4504 times)

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Didn't even notice the invasion stripes on the fuselage being painted over.  Odd that the tail still has them. 
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Cross post.  See above.  Red and yellow were around at the same time.  Red stripes were changed to yellow as well. 

Lyric do you have any pics of this plane that might support a yellow stripe?

This was on EBAY that I found.

Looks red to me on this image.


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This was on EBAY that I found.

Looks red to me on this image.

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That one looks pre-Invasion Stripe, too.   

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The two RH photos of G-CY appear to show a dark stripe on one and a light one on the other. So maybe they changed the colour on Miss Velma for some reason, perhaps different flights had different colour stripes as an ID aid?

The colour I use for olive drab is RGB 83/79/61.

This is my thinking.   There are many images of planes with red stripes repainted yellow.   But I guess no photo of CY-D with yellow exists...
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How's the OD here?   Better?

Devil, look at the vert fin and you can see that shading I was talking about.  Good or bad?

Greebo, still owe you the spec map shots but I haven't gotten around to it.   I want to try one more iteration first.

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The OD looks better. There seems to be a highlight on the leading edge of the stab. It looks strange near the fillet.
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The OD looks better. There seems to be a highlight on the leading edge of the stab. It looks strange near the fillet.

I can quash that no problem.  Do I want the entire stab the same color?
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what exactly are you trying to achieve?
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what exactly are you trying to achieve?

I'm looking at what Mus did on the tail.   The shading seems to mask some of the angles of the 3D shape.   Or perhaps not.  I may just be overthinking it. Compare:



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hard to tell on Miss Velma what's baked-in or a result of a glossier finish.
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No lighting.

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looks like you added shade to the back of the stab.
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looks like you added shade to the back of the stab.

That's what Mus did.   Is it worth imitating for depth or should I wipe it out?
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The problem is, when you add shade to the rear of a wing/stab it gives the appearance of a taper. The sides of the vertical stab on the P-51 are flat so it looks very fake the way you have it. If anything, adding a highlight to the leading edge and fillet can give the illusion of a rounded edge.
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The problem is, when you add shade to the rear of a wing/stab it gives the appearance of a taper. The sides of the vertical stab on the P-51 are flat so it looks very fake the way you have it. If anything, adding a highlight to the leading edge and fillet can give the illusion of a rounded edge.


Well, like I said, Mus did it this way and it made me think there's something to the theory.  It provides some depth that a uniform color pattern does not.   

Let me wipe it out and then re-engineer.   
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