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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #45 on: December 15, 2017, 03:57:52 PM »
My wife has a Maine Coon.  I say my wife, because it loves her.....me, well lets just say he tolerates my existence somewhat....actually now that I think of it, just like my wife.

His name,  P.Sherman 42 Wallaby Way, Sydney Australia. (don't ask)

For some crazy reason, that name rings a bell.
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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #46 on: December 15, 2017, 05:49:01 PM »
Maine Coons are massive cats.  I think my Jag has some Maine Coon in him given his size and features.

I think, pound for pound a cat should be able to take a dog simply due to the many ways a cat can shred their victims.  Everything about a cat is designed around the ability to rip flesh apart and do it quickly.

Then again, I have never seen a dog and cat fight.  So I could be full of it.


  No I say that's a fair assessment!  I have seen too many dog and cat fights,as a kid my parents owned a resturant and as a result we had plenty of cats about the place. Most were feral cats and helped control the rodents,we had some rats that even the toughest cat wouldnt tackle and thats why we had the airedale. Problem was the dog didnt like cats and would try to kill them if she could catch one. We also had a Shepard and it got tore up by a cat,lost the right eye,had a spilt ear and part of it's nose tore off. Like you said cats can use several weapons at the same time! I saw the airedale kill a couple cats and it always went the same way,dog jumps on cat,grabs it by the back and breaks cat;s back with a violent shake! She never got tore up and most the cats tried to climb a tree or pole to get away!

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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #47 on: December 15, 2017, 09:21:31 PM »
My wife has a Maine Coon.  I say my wife, because it loves her.....me, well lets just say he tolerates my existence somewhat....actually now that I think of it, just like my wife.

His name,  P.Sherman 42 Wallaby Way, Sydney Australia. (don't ask)

That all started because Nemo touched the butt.


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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #48 on: December 16, 2017, 07:16:00 AM »
That all started because Nemo touched the butt.


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Ahhh, that's it!  Thank you, it was driving me crazy.
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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #49 on: December 16, 2017, 07:32:04 PM »
Speaking of massive cats, anyone ever see any of these Savanah cats, ranked from F1 to F5?  I saw an F3 once from a breeder up here, it looked like a 7 month old Cheetah, it was HUGE about 15 inches tall they told me.  I can't imagine how big the largest size must be.  Expensive too, but highly intelligent. 

I've really come to enjoy cats again in the last few weeks, so many of their natural activities and behaviors and interesting to watch.  Sure sleep a lot though, my father's new cat sleeps 2/3 of the day, and plays at 100% the other 1/3, and eats 2x a day for 5 minutes each feeding.  She'll flip over on her back in my lap and let me rub her stomache on command now, pretty impressed for a cat that wasn't returned a few times to the SPCA for being a hider and not affectionate enough.  I'm glad we've been patient with her, as she's turned out to be a real blessing for my father at a perfect time.

Unlike dogs - we got a Belgian Malnois pup earlier this year, cats really do take care of themselves.  Pop left the door to the room for her litter box closed by accident 3 nights ago, when he woke up, she had used the bath tub and went right by the drain on her own.  Smart, and instinctive, I was really impressed with her having done this.  She also had been trying to let him know he said, for 5 hours all through the night she jumped up by his head and spoke in meows that he had never heard before.  Incredible how intelligent they can be...and he's just had her 1 month. 

What do others feel about 2nd cats?  I've heard and read that it makes cleaning easier for cats, having another one around that can do hard to reach places, and I've seen this behavior in the past too IIRC.  She is a young cat, not even 2 yet, and I'm thinking maybe a 2nd one may be a good idea, and that if so, sooner than later may be better.  Advice?





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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #50 on: December 16, 2017, 09:04:56 PM »
Dogs and cats can get along.


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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #51 on: December 17, 2017, 06:32:46 AM »
A multi-cat household can be tricky.  Typically siblings are preferred as they have grown up accepting the scent of the other cat.  Introducing a second cat into a home where a single cat has had time to claim the territory can take some time and patience.

Some cats will willingly accept a second cat, others will not.  Even siblings can be hit and miss.

Normally two females are better than two males, as the males tend to want to establish Alpha leaving one to be dominated.  One male and one female, as long they are neutered can work well as the different sexes have unique rolls in a clowder.

Cats will clean each other in a futile attempt to eradicate the scent of the other animal from the home.  Usually they need their own litter box, but sometimes they will share.  Again, the scent thing.

Overall, indoor cats do better with another cat around.  It gives them another animal to practice their hunting skills with and to keep physically fit.  If a single cat has already formed a bond with a human, there can be jealousy if the new cat gets attention as it taints the marking from the original cat.  Just have to watch how everyone interacts.

On the subject of maintaining weight, many breeds will self-maintain their weight, while others have to have food metered to them.  If you find you have a mix between the two, you have to watch them eat or the one who is not maintaining weight will eat the other cats food.  We have that situation with our two.  They are siblings, but she is a tubby thing, while he is lean and mean.  He will also leave his food for her to eat.  It is a pain in the tush at feeding time.

Speaking of food. The cat food industry is a despicable industry.  They do not hesitate to include ingredients known to be bad for cats.  Two in particular are widely used and should be avoided for the long term health of the cat.  Guar gum and carrageenan are both used as gelling ingredients in many foods.

Unfortunately, guar gum inhibits protein absorption in a cat.  Cats need a lot of protein for all thier organs and to maintain muscle mass.  Carrageenan is a known carcinogen to cats.

Hard food, in general, is not a good food for a cat either.  Think about how cats live in the wild.  They eat fresh kills.  Cats do not drink a lot of water as they get most of their moisture from the blood of their kills. Cats also need taurine to maintain their eyes.  Taurine is found in fresh red meat, poultry, eggs, some dairy, and shellfish.  However, when any of that is processed into hard food it destroys the natural taurine.  That is why you see taurine added as an ingredient.

I learned all this when I lost a cat to CRF (chronic renal failure).  Turns out the food we fed her brought it on.  If you Vet recommends hard food for a cat, then that Vet has been bought and paid for by the cat food industry.  It is a slimy industry. There are many Vets who do not like cats. Just beware of that.

It has gotten so bad here, a new market has opened up for Vets who only treat cats and that is it.

Ok, I'll get off my soapbox now.
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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #52 on: December 18, 2017, 02:11:07 PM »
Ahhh, that's it!  Thank you, it was driving me crazy.

Thats what happens when you allow your 3yrold twins to name the cat, right around the time that Finding Nemo was a popular movie.

Thankfully the naming didn't happen around the time of Inglorius Bastards

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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #53 on: December 18, 2017, 02:18:23 PM »
Thankfully the naming didn't happen around the time of Inglorius Bastards

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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #54 on: December 21, 2017, 07:47:42 AM »
OK, lemme try this picture insert6 deal again.. Hope it works this time!

Wishbone, showin off with a nice fat field mouse!

Oops, "My that's a big one!" 4000x3000 doesn't work!
Second try, much better, lol!

x600 high pics seem to work good!
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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #55 on: December 21, 2017, 08:24:43 AM »
WTG Wishbone!  He looks very pleased with himself.
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Re: Dicta Boelcke in Nature
« Reply #56 on: December 21, 2017, 05:21:41 PM »
If you have indoor outdoor cats, you will have territory problems with males and vet bills even if they are neutered. My 4 males are indoor only and neutered. Indoor only cats never fully mature and stay kitten like most of their lives. That's how they get along together and don't really establish territories as much as favorite sleeping spots, they become a pride of kittens with you as the parent cat who has to be the parent cat. You have to get them as kittens or not much older than 6 months yet to start with. You can always add another kitten into a group of indoor only cats, not an adult cat.

Don't mistakenly believe when your indoor outdoor cat gets elderly, that when you bring him indoor permanently because he's loosing more fights than he wins, that he will ever become an indoor only cat mentally. He also won't take kindly to you getting him a friend either. Indoor only cats need a friend or friends unless you are ready to be "it" 24x7. You owe them that much since you have decided to imprison them for life to have a pet around.   
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