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What is it about the Bf 109K-4?
« on: May 03, 2018, 06:28:17 PM »
It's faster than the P-51D.

It climbs faster than a scalded cat.

It's got an amazing 30 mm cannon.

It handles well in a low-speed fight.

It is one of the great planes at high alt and low, and everything in between.

The Luftwaffe very much needs 109K-4 pilots.

So . . .

How about flying one in the June scenario?

Why not join up in one of WWII's greatest fighters?

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Re: What is it about the Bf 109K-4?
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Re: What is it about the Bf 109K-4?
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2018, 09:34:16 AM »
      Real ones didn't handle so well at slow speeds.... and real 109s were limited to a 450mph dive speed to prevent the wings from folding back.  the real Mustangs have a similar problem.   The wing design of the Spit and P38s would often leave them warped but still attached to the plane...

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Re: What is it about the Bf 109K-4?
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2018, 03:28:24 PM »
Have to agree with ROBUSTR some. Both allied and axis planes in this game cannot do what they're allowed to do. Makes the game not a sim.
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Re: What is it about the Bf 109K-4?
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2018, 12:39:22 AM »

The 450mph is dependant on altitude.
The D-model of the P51 could not follow a 109G6 to terminal speed, B-model could though, both could catch 109G down to the terminal speed easily, but once there bubble canopy of the P51D disturbed the airflow over the elevators and they had to break off.


      Real ones didn't handle so well at slow speeds.... and real 109s were limited to a 450mph dive speed to prevent the wings from folding back.  the real Mustangs have a similar problem.   The wing design of the Spit and P38s would often leave them warped but still attached to the plane...
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Re: What is it about the Bf 109K-4?
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2018, 10:14:06 PM »
     Also the Rhinemetal-Borsig Mk 108 was a poor choice for fighter v fighter engagements do to It's very low muzzle velocity and  rate of fire.  It was designed as an anti bomber weapon because of the inability to successfully place the Mk 103 in a fighter. The later 109s  with larger  engines and added weight had  similar handling issues as the later marks of Spitfire, But later marks of the Spit had Larger tail surfaces and rudders to help with the higher torque of those engines. Also reworked ailerons...   The Bf 109K had  neither of these. Also the wing area of the 109  is much less than most other fighters of It's time Even the Zeke had about 20% more wing area and it weighs far less .  A wing loading for the K was probably around 42 lbs. even with leading edge slatsturn performance was not that good. And pilots claimed The slats  many times didn't work properly.   They would stick or not deploy at the same time and that would really throw aim off or cause more severe handling issues. It could not handle anywhere near as well as the  Fredrich could.  The original Bf109 was designed to have the most powerful engine with smallest body and wings possible.  It was designed as a BnZ plane not a dogfighter.  Also I forgot whether I stated this .  After many wing failures The G & K 109s were limited to a dive speed of  around 450mph. The Ah design far exceeds that.  I'll stick with the F-4 for DF and  the G2 with  The R1 option. " 20 mm gondolas for the bombers.  Have a blast.

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Re: What is it about the Bf 109K-4?
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2018, 11:48:17 PM »
I love flying the 109K-4 in scenarios!  :aok