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Offline bustr

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Re: Photo Interpretation Help
« Reply #30 on: June 01, 2018, 06:41:06 PM »
I still do not see painted wingtips in that photo...   :headscratch:

You can see it if you don't try to imagine yellow but instead look at the mottled gray effect to the tail. Then look at the wind tip again and you see the same mottled gray effect. That color screen shot of that model showing the yellow tips is a clue to compare the representation of yellow by the black and white photo.
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Re: Photo Interpretation Help
« Reply #31 on: June 01, 2018, 06:58:39 PM »
You can see it if you don't try to imagine yellow but instead look at the mottled gray effect to the tail. Then look at the wind tip again and you see the same mottled gray effect. That color screen shot of that model showing the yellow tips is a clue to compare the representation of yellow by the black and white photo.

I think I can buy that. 
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Re: Photo Interpretation Help
« Reply #32 on: June 01, 2018, 06:59:27 PM »
If you look at the original picture you posted, the wingtip paint is different than the wing paint. The lighting and quality of the photo make it hard to see but the difference is there.


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Re: Photo Interpretation Help
« Reply #33 on: June 06, 2018, 03:23:12 PM »
This is a rough look at where I'm going with the paint...

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« Reply #34 on: June 06, 2018, 03:55:22 PM »
Keep in mind that the theater bands and red nose were painted at the depot before delivery to the Groups.  They were not outlined in black.  It was standard for all the groups to have red noses and yellow ID bands.



This is an image from the depot where they were assembling the Mustangs to get them ready for the Groups.  Note the placement of the bands on these 51Cs, as well as the already painted nose.  Any other Group markings were done once they arrived at that Group.  So the yellow tails of the 52nd, the striped of the 31st the checkerboards of the 35th or the red tails of the 33nd were all done once they became operational.  So the variety you'll see is in the group markings, but not the theater markings.

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« Reply #35 on: June 06, 2018, 05:35:30 PM »
Keep in mind that the theater bands and red nose were painted at the depot before delivery to the Groups. They were not outlined in black.  It was standard for all the groups to have red noses and yellow ID bands.

http://s152.photobucket.com/user/guppy35/media/MTOMarkings.jpg.htm


This is an image from the depot where they were assembling the Mustangs to get them ready for the Groups.  Note the placement of the bands on these 51Cs, as well as the already painted nose.  Any other Group markings were done once they arrived at that Group.  So the yellow tails of the 52nd, the striped of the 31st the checkerboards of the 35th or the red tails of the 33nd were all done once they became operational.  So the variety you'll see is in the group markings, but not the theater markings.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/MTOBands.jpg[/img][/URL]

Actually, we have cases where they were outlined in black and others were even outlined in WHITE.

Variations I’ve seen:

- Inner bands outlined in black (like this one apparently).
- Outer bands outlined in black (like Jo-Baby, 4FS, WD*D).
- Inner and outer bands outlined in white (Abdul’s Baby, 4FS, WD*A).
- Non-outlined inner and outer bands (5FS, VF*D).
- Non-outlined outer bands only with nothing inboard (Meg X, 4FS, WD*L).
- Non-outlined inner bands only with nothing outboard (like Wee Willie, 2FS, QP*C). 

This airplane has a bunch of odd stuff about it all in one place.    The bands are outboard of the gear doors so I'm wondering if they're located as shown in your schematic.  I'll give that another look.   (Edit: They look to be between the gear doors and the wing pylon.)

If the photo does not actually show the black borders I’ll remove them.  Consensus seems to be they’re bordered. 

I’m still not convinced the wingtips are yellow.
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Re: Photo Interpretation Help
« Reply #36 on: June 07, 2018, 03:53:49 PM »
I looked at a bunch of 15th AF and 52nd FG and the wingtip is either yellow or aluminum. You can see variations of the yellow stripe and black boarder, yellow tip and no painting at all.
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« Reply #37 on: June 07, 2018, 05:46:29 PM »
I looked at a bunch of 15th AF and 52nd FG and the wingtip is either yellow or aluminum. You can see variations of the yellow stripe and black boarder, yellow tip and no painting at all.

I’m leaning toward metal...
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Re: Photo Interpretation Help
« Reply #38 on: June 09, 2018, 01:05:22 AM »
The more I stared at it the more I wondered if the plane had yellow stripes just inboard of the tips, so I decided to keep digging for a picture with a different angle.  Well...this photo threw me for a loop.  Stripes outboard, no inner stripes on top of the wings...

So what about underneath?



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Re: Photo Interpretation Help
« Reply #39 on: June 09, 2018, 02:11:29 PM »
The more I stared at it the more I wondered if the plane had yellow stripes just inboard of the tips, so I decided to keep digging for a picture with a different angle.  Well...this photo threw me for a loop.  Stripes outboard, no inner stripes on top of the wings...

So what about underneath?

(Image removed from quote.)

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« Reply #40 on: June 09, 2018, 02:30:27 PM »
 :rock  :aok :cheers:Thank you!
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