How do you fight what you cannot see?

[TyFoo]

True.  However I come to AH for WW2 based air combat.  I get no fun from the GV side of the game.

Also, getting into a GV does not address the problem which is that bases are taken from under our noses and we cannot see the enemy until it is too late.

Those players that do like the GV side of the game do not have issues finding GV's. They participate, practice and get better at what they do. If a player is not willing to put the time in to learn the ground game, then I find it difficult to support their complaint. There is no easy way to learn the air or ground game except to participate, ask questions, learn and practice the necessary skills to get better.

Anything short of that effort is just asking for one side of the game to be dumbed down for the benefit of those that would rather complain. If you do not want to learn the ground game then try to find satisfaction with what you do best.

[Chalenge]

Vehicles need to leave tracks on the ground!!!

Not really. First, they would be hard to see anyway. Second, there's no way to do it without impacting frame rates (IMO). Instead of tracks though, you might wish for a dust trail. A dust trail might disappear more quickly, yet still leave enough evidence of a presence and general location.

[rvflyer]

Why would they be hard to see? I do not have problems seeing tractor tracks etc. from my RV-6 in real life flying.

Not really. First, they would be hard to see anyway. Second, there's no way to do it without impacting frame rates (IMO). Instead of tracks though, you might wish for a dust trail. A dust trail might disappear more quickly, yet still leave enough evidence of a presence and general location.

[Vraciu]

You can go into the Training Arena and learn to use the gv's. Also, there are lots of veteran gv’ers that can show you how to use a tank.

Alternately, you could do something fun.

Wiley.

BOOM!

Drop the mic, bruh.

[Vraciu]

I speak Verbosity and I can translate for you.
Most of the maps were made long ago when we had 400 plus players every night.
Be patient. More maps are on the way that are better suited for the lower numbers we currently see in the M.A.

 

This will prove to be a boon to the game.    I am cheering for Bustr.

[FESS67]

Those players that do like the GV side of the game do not have issues finding GV's. They participate, practice and get better at what they do. If a player is not willing to put the time in to learn the ground game, then I find it difficult to support their complaint. There is no easy way to learn the air or ground game except to participate, ask questions, learn and practice the necessary skills to get better.

Anything short of that effort is just asking for one side of the game to be dumbed down for the benefit of those that would rather complain. If you do not want to learn the ground game then try to find satisfaction with what you do best.

Let me get this straight.  You are telling me this issue is I do not have the required skills to be able to find GVs and that others who have practiced can find them easily?

So other threads about GV visibility, using film viewer to locate GVs, 6 players hunting for a single GV for 30 minutes....etc etc.....this all due to us lacking skills and nothing to do with the visibility of the GV?

[Mano]

When AH3 came out I found out early I could hide my M-8 inside one of those scrubby looking bushes that you find on most terrains. No one could find me. Virgle got tired of that and started using his pintle on all the bushes until he found me. One shot by his M-18 and I was back in the tower. Now I have to be more careful where I hide my M-8 when Virgle is around LOL. You learn pretty quickly where gv's hide when you are the hunter. They may pop you but you now know where they are.

 

[bustr]

I tested that and it only works to hide you from objects controlled by other players online. When I tested it offline, my M8 would not fully disappear inside of the bush with wheels and fenders showing. The bush is just lower than the mount the top 50cal rests on. The 50cal stands out above the bush like a beacon. Online an M8 disappears in it and a squad mate described the same thing happening in that kind of bush and he was in an M4. One for Hitech to figure out.

The only thing terrain design can do is help the available players to come together becasue the activity is easy to get at visa the paths provided. If the paths are poorly laid out, players will find their own fun away from each other or, log and be unhappy about the terrain. Activity attracts players while terrain, depending on the setup helps them to stay engaged. LilMak wrote a complaint about buzzsaw, it's a good example of paths serving one side of the community more so than the other side.

[waystin2]

Those players that do like the GV side of the game do not have issues finding GV's. They participate, practice and get better at what they do. If a player is not willing to put the time in to learn the ground game, then I find it difficult to support their complaint. There is no easy way to learn the air or ground game except to participate, ask questions, learn and practice the necessary skills to get better.

Anything short of that effort is just asking for one side of the game to be dumbed down for the benefit of those that would rather complain. If you do not want to learn the ground game then try to find satisfaction with what you do best.

This is silly right here.  I do both flying and GVing fairly well and I still have trouble finding some professional bush boys.  When will I ever be good enough?  There is a problem with the inability to see GV's still. 

[Canspec]

"True.  However I come to AH for WW2 based air combat.  I get no fun from the GV side of the game."

I agree with Fess......

[FLOOB]

It’s not your time zone it’s the game. There’s really only about a two hour part of the day where I fight planes more than gvs and ack.

That's pretty much what I've observed since I've been back. Set the alarm so you don't miss the 2 or 3 hours in the day when the MA isn't empty.

[The Fugitive]

I think the biggest issue with the GVs is when they stop, they disappear. Equate that to, I shut off my engine in the air in my P47 so nobody can find me.

If a GV is moving or shooting they can be spotted. Easy? not so much due to range, speed, and your video setup, but they CAN be spotted. Once they stop however it is like they have a cloak of invisibility! POOF! they are gone.

I dont spend a lot of time in GVs, like Fess, its not why I play this game. But if there is an attack I will try to help out and divebomb these guys. They shouldnt be able to disappear. As it is now they can play with almost total impunity against attack from almost everything except another tank they just happens on them.

[save]

I don't do tanks in this game, but how have other games solved it ?

In other games the objective is to move somewhere both adversaries want in order  capture or defend, and going there is equal to move away from safety to gain points for capture of objects, within the total capture object.

You need to capture more than one object to win a field, you also get activity points in some games, and sitting and camping gives you nothing for doing that except the tank you destroyed.

When you shoot, you must scoot away because cannon smoke will reveal you, both from ground and air, and that equals to move or get incoming within a few seconds.

[1stpar3]

Let me get this straight.  You are telling me this issue is I do not have the required skills to be able to find GVs and that others who have practiced can find them easily?

So other threads about GV visibility, using film viewer to locate GVs, 6 players hunting for a single GV for 30 minutes....etc etc.....this all due to us lacking skills and nothing to do with the visibility of the GV?

Almost hate to disclose this...BUT my love for the game compels me to do this  I have come to the conclusion that finding hidden gvs is a SPEED thing. When I cant find a gv under NORMAL flight conditions, I have found that if you can slow down to about 130 MPH your plane has same detection as a Storch. I usually fly the Ki-84 as of late and with full flaps and flying at about 1000 AGL its NO PROBLEM finding most gvs. Not every gv is manned by the BEST hiders. True some folk are super hard to find....BUT few of these can go unseen by this tactic. Try it next time and see for yourselves...hopefully the Gv isnt Virgle or Seagle in a wirb LOL Or myself for that matter 

[TWCAxew]

I for one have no problem with finding GVs. I find the gv dar tidius at best. Looking for a GV is a part that give the game depth. It gives you something other to do than fighting the best aces. On the flip side while being in a gv it's exciting to not get spotted.

If we keep dumbing down the game I might as well go start playing warthunder with a mouse...

Cheers,
DutchVII