Author Topic: 357th FG P-51B "U've Had It!"  (Read 2533 times)

Offline oboe

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Re: 357th FG P-51B "U've Had It!"
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2018, 10:39:11 PM »
I've gone on a tear all last month to upgrade the Bs I felt I could do some good on.   I'm sure it appears that I'm trying to dominate the airframe, but the reality is I couldn't stand to leave them looking the way they do.   It's not an issue with the people who originally made the skins, it's just the game has passed them by.   

I feel the same way.  In a perfect world there'd be half a dozen skinners working on a popular airframe like the P-51.  I was heartened to see Larry return to the game; I like his skins and think he does good work.  But it appears he's more interested in terrain-making (we need more good terrains too).  I think a lot of the other guys have just moved on from skinning.

I sometimes wonder if I'm overrating the importance of the appearance of skins.  Maybe it doesn't bother most players, but I shudder for the game's sake when I see a YouTube video that contains those shiny-glass skins.   

I'm with Devil too - I wouldn't mind seeing a number of skins retired and replaced by completely different skins.  I'd enjoy seeing some new and different schemes.

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Re: 357th FG P-51B "U've Had It!"
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2018, 05:07:50 PM »
Any further thoughts on this?

Is there a skin we can cull to make room for this one?
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Re: 357th FG P-51B "U've Had It!"
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2018, 05:22:54 PM »
I have just thought of another reason to allow culling of older skins - it will allow new skinners a place to have their work showcased.

Imagine if Oboe was new to skinning. He'd have no idea of the 32 skin cap. He makes this excellent skin, posts his screen shots, and gets told, "That's great, but we can't use it." That guy would take it as an insult that his work is not being used to improve the game and won't skin another thing for us.


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Re: 357th FG P-51B "U've Had It!"
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2018, 06:15:50 PM »
Could always institute a jury review system.

Oboe has achieved an excellent command of aluminum. Others of details, weathering, and color. Pick an old skin that can be updated with that and hold a jury. Players submit their new rendition of it and the best chosen. Unless new 3D models are in the works we don't know about. Skinning KOTH....

Personally, I think terrains are probably easier since I have more room for massive illusions and I'm the only person who can judge what the heck I thought I was doing. The members of this current informal jury are judging a known entity that is small, highly detailed, and has defined parameters that each of you know in your sleep. Kind of like a Mr. Universe contest under flood lights. You gents are politely cruel and very picky, while incredibly magnanimous when something is really good.
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Re: 357th FG P-51B "U've Had It!"
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2018, 06:41:07 PM »
Well, I think I have figured out aluminum, too, but I am trying to achieve a different look (primarily from inside the cockpit).   Oboe has a style that reminds me of a beautiful Robert Taylor painting.   I’m off in another direction as is FTJR.   It’s good to have multiple ways of looking at skinning so players have a choice.  Which brings me to my point via a circuitous route...

I’m not a fan of voting on this stuff.   If that were the case nothing I’ve done would even exist as I would have never had the chance to learn.  I got to this point in fits and starts—I am also still learning.  If it were up to a vote we may wind up with all the planes skinned by one or two guys and that’s it. 

 :uhoh

Updating skins is well and good, but if we have one that's questionable or relatively similar to some others and I can move it out of the way to get something better (by someone else) in its place well...

My B6*Y can go because It's the same squadron and I have two others that are relatively similar.

On the other hand, FIRST OF THE FEW, while unique, is the result of a lot of guessing.  If the book Lyric ordered doesn't have any photos then I have basically skinned a ghost.    We have a plane from that group already so if we eliminate it because it is questionable then there’s not likely to be an uproar.
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Re: 357th FG P-51B "U've Had It!"
« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2018, 11:16:27 AM »
Thanks for the kind words, guys.  I may print and frame Vraciu's comment comparing my style to Robert Taylor's paintings!   :aok    These positive comments mean a whole lot to me.

You don't need to pursue trying to get "U've Had It" into the game any longer.  For a number of reasons, I've decided it would be best for me to close my account.  With regard to skinning in particular, I realized the philosophical differences I have with the way older skins are handled are insurmountable and it would most likely continue to be a frustration.  The decision to leave wasn't easy and took a long time to come to but I think its right for me.   I think my recent skins, if not my best work, are as close to it as I'll to get.   So, in my mind at least, I'm departing on a high note! :D

Thanks to you skinners who have encouraged me with compliments and helpful comments over the years.   And anyone else who has chipped in a good word in the game or on the boards.  Praise is a powerful motivator, keep it up.   

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Re: 357th FG P-51B "U've Had It!"
« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2018, 11:45:14 AM »
Geeze.   This is unfortunate news.   

Take a break.  Cool your jets.  Have a soda.  See you when you return.    :cheers: :salute
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Re: 357th FG P-51B "U've Had It!"
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2018, 12:10:26 PM »
I don't mean to give the impression I'm hot under the collar about something and have the need to cool off -- I'm not; I'm calm.   Its a decision I took some time to come to, and was based on a number of factors, skinning being just one of them.  I have personal reasons as well.  WRT the treatment of old skins, I've concluded this is a situation that is not likely to change and would just continue as a frustration.   Wasn't a deciding factor for me, just a factor in my decision.

I consider you guys my community so I thought it would be polite to let you guys know rather than simply disappear.   I'll always hold a good thought for Aces High.  <S>       

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Re: 357th FG P-51B "U've Had It!"
« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2018, 12:20:31 PM »
Cool your jets was not intended to imply anger on your part.   Frustration, sure.  Understandable. 
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Re: 357th FG P-51B "U've Had It!"
« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2018, 12:30:37 PM »
Thanks for the kind words, guys.  I may print and frame Vraciu's comment comparing my style to Robert Taylor's paintings!   :aok    These positive comments mean a whole lot to me.

You don't need to pursue trying to get "U've Had It" into the game any longer.  For a number of reasons, I've decided it would be best for me to close my account.  With regard to skinning in particular, I realized the philosophical differences I have with the way older skins are handled are insurmountable and it would most likely continue to be a frustration.  The decision to leave wasn't easy and took a long time to come to but I think its right for me.   I think my recent skins, if not my best work, are as close to it as I'll to get.   So, in my mind at least, I'm departing on a high note! :D

Thanks to you skinners who have encouraged me with compliments and helpful comments over the years.   And anyone else who has chipped in a good word in the game or on the boards.  Praise is a powerful motivator, keep it up.   

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Well, this is less than ideal.

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Re: 357th FG P-51B "U've Had It!"
« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2018, 12:43:20 PM »
Sorry to hear you are leaving Oboe and I hope to see you back one day. Your skins are some of the best I've seen.

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Re: 357th FG P-51B "U've Had It!"
« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2018, 07:03:07 PM »
Sorry to hear you are leaving Oboe and I hope to see you back one day. Your skins are some of the best I've seen.

Agreed.
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