Author Topic: P-51B "First Of The Few" - 31st FG, 309th FS - AH3 Adoption Ver 2  (Read 4164 times)

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Re: P-51B "First Of The Few" - 31st FG, 309th FS - AH3 Adoption Ver 2
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2018, 11:53:25 AM »
I’m pretty sure documentation was provided but it was not accessible via the adoption process.   Skuzzy has been building out the skins interface and so that info will be there going forward.   I just think this skin was put in before that capability was fully implemented. 

Lyric or Guppy will eventually track one down, I hope.   We will get it fixed somehow.

When this skin was submitted the first time it was very hard to find much on this squadron with regards to the striped tail on the O/D P-51B variant. The guy who did this skin sent me PMs took some liberty's with what I sent him back to make a skin that he simply wanted to do and nothing based off of reality. I have been sniffing about and there is not much more of anything to add even with Facebook. Facebook has been my source of late of many of the skinning possibility's I have forwarded to Skinner's.

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Re: P-51B "First Of The Few" - 31st FG, 309th FS - AH3 Adoption Ver 2
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2018, 01:16:53 PM »
When this skin was submitted the first time it was very hard to find much on this squadron with regards to the striped tail on the O/D P-51B variant. The guy who did this skin sent me PMs took some liberty's with what I sent him back to make a skin that he simply wanted to do and nothing based off of reality. I have been sniffing about and there is not much more of anything to add even with Facebook. Facebook has been my source of late of many of the skinning possibility's I have forwarded to Skinner's.

Any suggestions?
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Re: P-51B "First Of The Few" - 31st FG, 309th FS - AH3 Adoption Ver 2
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2018, 12:42:50 AM »
Any suggestions?

Well yes!
First off the source photo.



Little big but I did that so you can see the nose text better.
OK as the text underlined says this was the very first P-51B they got. So we know from other complete photos of the B models we have they did not get the stripes right off the bat they only had the tail numbers showing. We most likely will never know what this planes number was so that's out to skin it that way.

So did this plane survive long enough to get stripes? Who knows did it get its paint stripped off the tail so the red stripes stood out better. Maybe?
If you want to go with a theoretical plane that could be correct then I say stay with what you have got or go with what ever you like because all possibility's could be correct.

Or dump this particular aircraft out right and go with a completely different plane from the squadron.
I personally don't mind either just my two cents worth.

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Re: P-51B "First Of The Few" - 31st FG, 309th FS - AH3 Adoption Ver 2
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2018, 08:04:56 AM »
Well yes!
First off the source photo.

(Image removed from quote.)

Little big but I did that so you can see the nose text better.
OK as the text underlined says this was the very first P-51B they got. So we know from other complete photos of the B models we have they did not get the stripes right off the bat they only had the tail numbers showing. We most likely will never know what this planes number was so that's out to skin it that way.

So did this plane survive long enough to get stripes? Who knows did it get its paint stripped off the tail so the red stripes stood out better. Maybe?
If you want to go with a theoretical plane that could be correct then I say stay with what you have got or go with what ever you like because all possibility's could be correct.

Or dump this particular aircraft out right and go with a completely different plane from the squadron.
I personally don't mind either just my two cents worth.

Jackpot!   Great picture.

I would just as soon skin something we know more about.    What other candidates from the squadron exist?

I know you've seen the pics in the other thread, some of which have disappeared.


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Re: P-51B "First Of The Few" - 31st FG, 309th FS - AH3 Adoption Ver 2
« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2018, 08:11:05 AM »
Do we know which airplane this is?

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Re: P-51B "First Of The Few" - 31st FG, 309th FS - AH3 Adoption Ver 2
« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2018, 08:47:13 AM »
There's this one, too:


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Re: P-51B "First Of The Few" - 31st FG, 309th FS - AH3 Adoption Ver 2
« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2018, 09:34:30 AM »
There's this one, too:

Do we have any photos of it?
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Re: P-51B "First Of The Few" - 31st FG, 309th FS - AH3 Adoption Ver 2
« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2018, 09:57:05 AM »
I wasn't able to find any.  "HL" is squad code for the 308th FS though.

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Re: P-51B "First Of The Few" - 31st FG, 309th FS - AH3 Adoption Ver 2
« Reply #23 on: July 17, 2018, 10:09:12 AM »
I wonder if that's an HL airplane I posted. 

May have to break down and buy the book. 
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Re: P-51B "First Of The Few" - 31st FG, 309th FS - AH3 Adoption Ver 2
« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2018, 11:45:08 AM »
I wonder if that's an HL airplane I posted. 

May have to break down and buy the book.

I have the book.
No complete O/D P-51B/C in it.
Several bare metal ones not sure of squadron affiliation off the top of my head.

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Re: P-51B "First Of The Few" - 31st FG, 309th FS - AH3 Adoption Ver 2
« Reply #25 on: July 17, 2018, 11:46:04 AM »
Okay.  Fair enough. 

How about this one?

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Re: P-51B "First Of The Few" - 31st FG, 309th FS - AH3 Adoption Ver 2
« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2018, 11:51:13 AM »
I think the red diagonal stripes on the bare tail of an all-O.D. bird are more interesting.  Then with the red and yellow wing stripes its a really sharp-looking a/c.


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Re: P-51B "First Of The Few" - 31st FG, 309th FS - AH3 Adoption Ver 2
« Reply #27 on: July 17, 2018, 11:54:09 AM »
I think the red diagonal stripes on the bare tail of an all-O.D. bird are more interesting.  Then with the red and yellow wing stripes its a really sharp-looking a/c.

Yeah...but it sounds like it’s a work of fiction.  :(

If I could find one from this squadron with the tail and letter codes then I don’t care about ditching the nose art for FEW.
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Re: P-51B "First Of The Few" - 31st FG, 309th FS - AH3 Adoption Ver 2
« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2018, 12:23:31 AM »
Yeah...but it sounds like it’s a work of fiction.  :(

If I could find one from this squadron with the tail and letter codes then I don’t care about ditching the nose art for FEW.

There should be bare metal version photos and profiles in the book I sent you.

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Re: P-51B "First Of The Few" - 31st FG, 309th FS - AH3 Adoption Ver 2
« Reply #29 on: July 18, 2018, 12:35:00 AM »
There should be bare metal version photos and profiles in the book I sent you.

Got it.  Many thanks.   Hate to do NMF since I already have one, but...

Not much to work with on the OD side. 
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