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Offline Dichotomy

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Refridgerator Techs. A question
« on: August 18, 2018, 08:43:47 AM »
In laws have a freezer in their basement that has started freezing up.  I've defrosted the thing a couple of times but in about 20 to 30 days it grows ice inside.  I've cleaned the coils, even took it half way apart and cleaned years of dust and grime out of it.  But it still freezes up.

Yesterday FIL brought a regular fridge home with a freezer to replace it and MIL was griping because when she makes her 'Christmas cookies' for God and everybody she won't have room.  Now my common sense says that should be no problem just plug the old fridge in first of Dec and rock on but she says she's heard that leaving them sit idle for too long will make them go bad.

Google search was fruitless so if you guys know anything about this subject please chime in. 
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Re: Refridgerator Techs. A question
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2018, 08:51:01 AM »
she says she's heard that leaving them sit idle for too long will make them go bad.


No doubt true.  Plain common sense.  AND you'll get warts if you eat cookies stored in the too-long-unused refrigerator.

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Re: Refridgerator Techs. A question
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2018, 09:09:48 AM »
"Sitting too long" means 5-10 years without running. There is oil in the compressor and it needs to be circulated now and then. We have a 'fridge" we have in our "shed" (think outdoor party area) that we only run during the summer. Its got to be 20 years old.

As for the frosting up, check the door seals. If the are weak, or torn, warm air (relative to the freezing temp inside the freezer)gets inside the freezer and as it cools the moisture comes out and turns to ice on the walls of the freezer.

So yes running it in the fall/winter to store the cookies should be fine. If the door seals are bad a $15-20 kit could get you back to a frost free freezer.

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Re: Refridgerator Techs. A question
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2018, 10:00:52 AM »
Is the one you're having a problem with a frost free unit that's frosting up? You said ice on the coils. That shouldn't happen. A frost free fridge will frost up for a few reasons. Do the doors seal up well? If not you're allowing too much moisture inside the unit. It'll freeze up. There should be a fan running inside when the compressor is running and the door is closed. Check it by pushing the door switch closed while it's running. Same switch usually turns the light on and off. Now the fan might have ice blocking it too so the next thing is checking the defrost system. If the fan is bad gotta change it. Gotta have airflow over the coils. Easy enough and not expensive. As to the airflow thing, if there's food literally packed in the there it may be blocking the airways. The fan has to move air around the inside of the the thing it it's gonna freeze up as if the fan were bad. Make sure the fan is moving air.

Frost free fridges have a timer that turns the compressor off and sends power to a little heater that is on the cooling coil in the freezer section. The number of times it'll run in a day varies but they all defrost at least once a day. Find the timer. Sometimes they're in the open in the bottom section. Other times they're somewhere near the thermostat in the refrig section. There's usually a little plug covering a hole that gives access to it. Look for something like that and pry it off. It should pop out easily. Or just look for a hole that looks like a screwdriver would fit into and look for an odd looking plastic shaft inside. Odd because it's shaped so a screwdriver can only turn it one way. Once you've found that, slowly turn it clockwise with a screwdriver. You should hear a series of clicks ending with a louder click. Stop turning. The compressor and fan should be off. Close the door. Give it a few minutes and look at the drain pan in the bottom section and see if water is dripping into it. It should. That will indicate the timer is sending power to the heater and it's melting the ice. If it isn't, then you're going to go a step further. But first let's see if the timer is advancing. After about a half an hour or so after you started the defrost cycle the timer should advance, you'll hear a click and the compressor will begin to run again. If it doesn't, the timer is bad and likely your problem as if it isn't coming out of defrost that means it isn't going into defrost either! It's stuck. Little plastic gears inside and one has lost a tooth. Gotta replace it. It just unplugs and is held on with a couple of screws. Easier than you'd think.

OK next step. (you could actually do this first. Wasn't sure if you had access to a meter like this.)You're gonna need an electric meter with an inductive clamp on it to read the amperage the fridge is using at a given time. It's the easiest, most non-invasive way of doing this! Back underneath, look at where the power cord goes into the unit. The wires will separate there. Put the clamp on the hot (black) wire and set the meter to read amps. You're not handling any bare wires here, its perfectly safe. While the compressor is running it'll show the amperage the unit is drawing. It varies by unit but you're looking for a number that ain't zero! OK now go to the timer and advance it into a defrost cycle. With everything obviously stopped you should still be showing amperage. 3 or so depending on the unit. Anything but zero! Keep a watch on it and it should drop out after a few minutes. Why? Because there's a little stat on the coil inside that stops the heater at about 38 degrees. Enough to defrost the coil but not your food. And then after a while more the timer will put it back in cooling mode.

Now if while in defrost and you're showing amps drawn by the heater and there is no water dripping into the pan that means that drain tube is blocked. Gotta clear that so the water is removed otherwise it just refreezes. It starts in the freezer section under the coil. It could be blocked with ice. Slowly pour some really hot water in it. Should end up in the drain pan in the bottom.

OK you've done that and the heater shows no amps. Problems include a bad heater coil--duh! Or that little stat I was talking about is bad and not allowing power to the heater. Or the contacts in the timer have gone bad and while the turny roundy part is working, its not sending power to the whole defrost system.

The only way to troubleshoot this further requires taking apart the cover on the freezer section to get access to the heater and stat so they can be tested with a meter. If it's a side by side unit--good luck with that! Prepare to have carpal tunnel by the time you get it apart! I don't know how comfortable you are working with electricity and meters but I can walk you through it if you want.

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Re: Refridgerator Techs. A question
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2018, 10:20:07 AM »
What Drano said, sounds a lot like a dud defrost timer.
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Re: Refridgerator Techs. A question
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2018, 10:34:48 AM »
Is the one you're having a problem with a frost free unit that's frosting up?

Thanks Drano that was very eductional :)
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Re: Refridgerator Techs. A question
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2018, 06:21:12 AM »
Could be the defroster on a frost free. Most of the time, in my experience, it is caused by low freon. Low freon means lower pressure and usually longer run times. The evaporator will frost up and then with reduced airflow the frost semi melts and freezes until it is a solid block of ice.


Running the freezer periodically should not hurt it at all. Just store it upright.
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Re: Refridgerator Techs. A question
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2018, 08:20:16 AM »
If you leave a fridge off for too long the little penguin inside that turns the light on and off will die of boredom.
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Re: Refridgerator Techs. A question
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2018, 10:30:48 AM »
About the only thing I could think of when turning one off for long periods of time would be leaving the doors cracked to let air in otherwise they'll get moldy. Damp, dark and moist environments favor mold growth and a closed refrigerator checks those boxes.

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