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[Vraciu]

I am not so sure. I don´t get to play as much as some, and I certainly don´t land kills anywhere as fast as some of the guys. I fly and fight carefully, try not to die and don´t dive into fights I have no hope of getting out alive (unless there is a base capture to thwart). Yet my ranking last tour has been around the 20s.

Certainly the ranking system seems to reward my playstyle. It´s probably me flying in ENY 25 planes most of the time, too.

Litjan

You can rank #1 in points and not even make the top 50.  Ask me how I know. 

[Lusche]

You can rank #1 in points and not even make the top 50.  Ask me how I know.

You can also rank #1 in K/H and not make the top 50

[Vraciu]

You can also rank #1 in K/H and not make the top 50

Yes, but your K/H is way more important than kill points.    Ranking #1 in K/H will get you way further than #1 in kill points.   It’s not even close. 

You need a good hit % and K/H to score highly.  Total points become less important as you gain them.   The difference between 0 points and 10,000 is greater than from 25,000 to 50,000.  It’s just the way it works.  You can game the scoring system to rank #1 with very low kill point totals.  They just don’t matter that much. 

I ranked in the top 50 flying one sortie because my K/H, K/S, and hit % were excellent.  My kill points weren’t even in the top 500.

[Lusche]

Yes, but your K/H is way more important than kill points.    Ranking #1 in K/H will get you way further than #1 in kill points. 

No it will not, because 1 is 1. The score sub categories are not weighted.

Let's say, there are two players and these are their respecitve rank numbers:

K/D         1       10
K/S        50      50
K/H        10       1
Hit %     50      50
Points    50      50

Both players have the same rank number sum and would (theoretically) end up at the same total fighter rank.

It's a different matter how difficult it is to attain #1 in the different sub categories while still maintaining good enough ranks in the other ones. That's why staying alive at all costs can be very detrimental to your overall rank. But #1 is #1, no matter in which sub category.

I ranked in the top 50 flying one sortie because my K/H, K/S, and hit % were excellent.  My kill points weren’t even in the top 500.

Yes, but not because the point category ain't worth much, but because you scored high in four out of five categories. In the end, it's just about the sum of all rank numbers.

I have often been in the top 10 fighters with a fairly bad k/h, because I was very good in all the other categories.

[Vraciu]

No it will not, because 1 is 1. The score sub categories are not weighted.

Let's say, there are two players and these are their respecitve rank numbers:

K/D         1       10
K/S        50      50
K/H        10       1
Hit %     50      50
Points    50      50

Both players have the same rank number sum and would (theoretically) end up at the same total fighter rank.

It's a different matter how difficult it is to attain #1 in the different sub categories while still maintaining good enough ranks in the other ones. That's why staying alive at all costs can be very detrimental to your overall rank. But #1 is #1, no matter in which sub category.


Yes, but not because the point category ain't worth much, but because you scored high in four out of five categories. In the end, it's just about the sum of all rank numbers.

I have often been in the top 10 fighters with a fairly bad k/h, because I was very good in all the other categories.

I've never gotten anywhere with kill points.   

So, as I said, the guy needs to bump up his other numbers.   Total kill points will get him nowhere.  They're easy to rack up and the difference between #1 and #2 (or even #10) isn't really worth the effort.  You're better off to ditch it and bump up your K/H.

I guess we are saying the same thing, sorta.  I still don't fully understand the whole scoring thing.   I admit that.

[Lusche]

Thats one of my tours:



This gave me overall #1 spot.

While still  being good, my k/h was typically my worst sub category during all of my AH career. But in the end, all that matters is the total subranks sum: 3+22+76+28+3=132. And nobody had a smaller sum in that tour.


However, staying alive at all costs can quickly cost you way too much ranks in the k/h subcategory. Players tend to overly emphasize the raw k/d number (not the rank), ignoring the fact that pushing your k/d from 4 to 8 is rarely worth it in the overall picture as the rank # gain is very small. It's mostly a psychological think, I assume.
Players do not want to "die". Actual score and ranks play only a small role in this.

[Vraciu]

Thats one of my tours:

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This gave me overall #1 spot.

While still  being good, my k/h was typically my worst sub category during all of my AH career. But in the end, all that matters is the total subranks sum.


However, staying alive at all costs can quickly cost you way too much ranks in the k/h subcategory. Players tend to overly emphasize the raw k/d number (not the rank), ignoring the fact that pushing your k/d from 4 to 8 is rarely worth it in the overall picture as the rank # gain is very small. It's mostly a psychological think, I assume.
Players do not want to "die". Actual score and ranks play only a small role in this.

And yet the guy who is #1 may have 100,000 points and still ranked well behind you in the tour list.  He would have been better to ditch them and beat you on K/H.    Actually, you might have done better doing the same.   Take a #5 in K/P and bump up to 50 in K/H.

Is there a page that explains the scoring process?

[Lusche]

And yet the guy who is #1 may have 100,000 points and still ranked well behind you in the tour list.  He would have been better to ditch them and beat you on K/H.    Actually, you might have done better doing the same.   Take a #5 in K/P and bump up to 50 in K/H.

Is there a page that explains the scoring process?

The scoring process is very simple.
The best one in a category is #1, the second best #2 and so on.
Then you simply add up all rank numbers. The one with smallest sum is overall #1.

[Vraciu]

The scoring process is very simple.
The best one in a category is #1, the second best #2 and so on.
Then you simply add up all rank numbers. The one with lowest sum is overall #1.

Interesting.

Simple enough.   

[Lusche]

And yet the guy who is #1 may have 100,000 points and still ranked well behind you in the tour list.

You were quite close with 100,000 points for that tour :

This was my score/rank:


This was #2 in fighters, having a rank sum of 162


And this was the player with highest number of kill points:

Rank sum of 2109, resulting in fighter rank 285 (that's still in the top 20% of that tour)

[Shuffler]

See Rule #4

[Vraciu]

You were quite close with 100,000 points for that tour :

 

 

This was my score/rank:
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This was #2 in fighters, having a rank sum of 162
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And this was the player with highest number of kill points:
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Rank sum of 2109, resulting in fighter rank 285 (that's still in the top 20% of that tour)

Daaaaaaang.

He shoulda' ditched about a third of those kills.  Would have helped his K/H a lot.

[Lusche]

He shoulda' ditched about a third of those kills.  Would have helped his K/H a lot.

He already landed only 399 out of 910 fighter sorties.
But maybe he just didn't care about his score. Most players don't really do. 

[Vraciu]

He already landed only 399 out of 910 fighter sorties.
But maybe he just didn't care about his score. Most players don't really do. 

Well then he could have ditched them all.  He would probably still be #1 or #2. 

It's better to kill three guys and die than to kill three and land a third if you do that 910 times.    It's all about churn.   Grinding for kill points is self defeating after awhile.

Good stuff.

[Lusche]

Well then he could have ditched them all.  He would probably still be #1 or #2. 

It's better to kill three guys and die than to kill three and land if you do that 910 times.

I will run a calculation tomorrow