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Re: Saying Goodbye
« Reply #60 on: February 28, 2019, 09:20:22 AM »
I’m just f**kin pissed the game’s going down the toilet and this sticking of heads in the sand has been a contributory factor. In retrospect a good dose of bitter honesty shoved down the throat farther upstream might have saved this game.

None of you actively posting have actually paused and given some thought to why the MA is the only populated arena have you? Why AvA is essentially a sideshow, events nearly extinct, The duelling / Match Play Arena like ghost-towns, DA lake removed. Anyone, no? No profound insight into the significance of that? Course not. Even the OP initiated the tedious, inevitable, numb-skulled undercurrent of "well, if you don't like it, leave it".


I still fly and have served enough time and come far enough to make informed comment. You just don’t like things that Fugitive and I are saying and would say anything to shut out the noise. I've lost count of the number of players - new and old - I've trained, sometimes for months on end and at the cost of hours per week for years. Some are even in this thread. And I was not motivated by recognition as has been suggested, it was to try and keep equitable gameplay alive. This is commensurate to wishing to destroy the game? You can point your finger elsewhere.


You have to be pretty desperate to confuse small clusters of returning players with new players. Ask lots of questions do they, how to set up controllers, how to turn without stalling, who can help them with ACM? Sounds of squeakers filling the airways, no?

The MA is now the only arena with any noticeable activity left and is now as thoroughly inaccessible to new players as it could possibly be. It is replete with selfish, shortsighted Charlie Sheen-replicas, not particular skillful at dogfighting but absolutely tiptop at risk assessment and when to run to save their planes / scores / egos (well, that’s what they did in the war). Oldman isn’t even anything remarkable in his self-centred view of all things AH, he’s pretty standard now.

All the diversity of gameplay has been driven out of AH replaced with an RPS bolstering to resolve the imbalance between an inability to learn against an unwillingness to accept limitations. And on the forum / 200 week in, week out all you hear is how Millennials are the problem with their (nonexistent) need for instant gratification. Projection, in its purest form.


Realistically Arlo - I've noticed you've been doing your damnest to try and troll me since I've dropped back in - I'm not interested in arguing with you. I just don't particularly care what you say or think and your motivation is transparent. If you really want to have a go at me then your only option for a meaningful contest would be to come into the MPA and fight 1-on-1. You can even fly an F4U-4 if you like. No perks in there (happily extend the offer to anyone else offended by anything I say or have said). This will afford you the opportunity to find out what my motivation for playing AH actually has been.

Why don't you PM me for an appointment.

Ok. So what would you like me, Spikes, to do about it? What should Shuffler do about it? What about Arlo? I can't make the game fun for people or make any major changes. I can't do anything, so I'm not sure what me having my "head in the sand" has to do with the current state of the game.

Tell me what I can do to help the game that will make a difference.
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Re: Saying Goodbye
« Reply #61 on: February 28, 2019, 10:09:43 AM »
Tell me what I can do to help the game that will make a difference.

Apparently have a 1 on 1 fight with him in the MPA.

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Re: Saying Goodbye
« Reply #62 on: February 28, 2019, 11:38:46 AM »
No doubt this is a great game...or we would not be here.

Is it as fun as it used to be?  No.  Many complained back then, but looking back, Titanic Tuesday's were a blast!  imagine....that had room for 600, and people were still trying to get it. And if you wanted to play for the regular game, you could do that as well.

I miss Missions.
I miss blitzing bases in only GV's.
I miss quite a few cats that are no longer here.
and yeah...I miss all the hundreds of people every time you fired up the game no matter what time of the day or night it was.

We all love this game...but we are fighting a war on attrition.... and we will lose this game one day.
1. Kids coming up have no though of WW2.
2. Kids rarely pay games on a pc

That is what's killing us.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2019, 11:42:20 AM by Zeta »

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Re: Saying Goodbye
« Reply #63 on: February 28, 2019, 11:39:28 AM »
Well, hey, all these years and I'm finally mainstream!  Thanks, nrshida, that means a lot.  I'm in from the cold at last.

Yeah you’re a fashionable Dicta Boelcke Rule № 1++ flowcharter. It’s the new black. You need to learn to fight in the vert brah. Think about it.


In the meantime, consider that you, and others who constantly pace the sidewalks holding "The End is Near" signs aloft while (whilst?) howling epithets into microphones, may have been among the many, many causes of the decline in numbers from AH's peak.

Where is the evidence supporting your assertion that players saying the game is in trouble has contributed to the game being in trouble? I can see none. What is your counterproposal? That everyone stands around with their hands on their hips, swaying slightly with a maniac grin on the face while muttering under their breath “There’s no place like home”?

I looked, at the Timezone the OP described. It’s at the tail-end of my playable Timezone. I know the players he’s referring to. Hunted them down. They squeal like babies when you shoot them down in a fair fight. But they’ll grind away 6 hours non-stop vulching and ganging like a horde of locusts without a moment’s consideration of anyone else’s gameplay.

Their gameplay is more important than the health of the game is how they act, and everyone not challenging that is supporting and agreeing with that premise. What is that American adage about a good man standing by?


Or don't.  I'm certain that you consider yourself a prophet who is stoned in his own time, but will be revered by later generations.  Take comfort in that warm, fuzzy thought.

What a fertile imagination some of you have about the delusions of those who say contentious things.  :rofl

I take comfort in that warm, fuzzy thought that I joined the game when fighting it out with people who were better at ACM gave me something to work on and shooting your mouth off unfounded would get you a ride in the duelling arena right quick. That although the Charlie Sheen-clones were always around, they weren’t all that was around. That through hard work and self-directed learning I got to unravel what the masters were doing and happily paid the price of the thousand deaths to learn a high-level of ACM while there was the culture and possibility to do so. And of course that I got to witness the awesomeness that is Zack1234.



Ok. So what would you like me, Spikes, to do about it? What should Shuffler do about it? What about Arlo? I can't make the game fun for people or make any major changes. I can't do anything, so I'm not sure what me having my "head in the sand" has to do with the current state of the game.

Tell me what I can do to help the game that will make a difference.


Thank you for the first response in a long series of threads where someone actually doesn't want to make the bad sounds go away.

Perhaps stop taking the automatic position that criticism is negative and must be shut down immediately. That differing opinions are a thing that must be devalued instead of examined. List and complain about the things in the game that aren’t working and keeping new players from joining.

Criticise on 200 selfish gameplay and try to re-cultivate the natural self-balance it had about four-to-five years ago. Press HTC to act on the complains of the OP - raw data and points of action.

Make a bloody noise for new game content from HTC, new planes (would be highly likely to bring old players back to try), lobby for new persistent arenas and new gameplay possibilities. The flight model is good, the planeset is large. Possibilities are endless.

If you meet someone who can out-fly you ask if they can teach you something. If you’re clearly better than your opponent offer to teach them something. Go to the MPA and duel a bit, or fly in the TA to help others (or warm up there). Don’t be the second or third man in on a fight, stay out and be classy (some did that in the war you know (Marseille, Guynemer, Stigler...)). Try to not allow your gameplay to converge to a repetitive comfort zone. It's bad for everyone. Add balance to the presently dominant 'winning' cult. It isn't Per se a game issue but a cultural one.

Fight for your game because it is already lost to some of us and you might shortly also experience the process all the players on the European, Japanese and Australasian timezones have experienced. Many of us said it would spread out on both sides of the clock and no-one listened because it didn’t affect them. Now it’s squashing US primetime.

See we know, this is not speculation, we've experienced the death of the game. It is too late for non-US players I feel. You can ask Lusche if I’m too edgy for your tastes. No offence taken.


Apparently have a 1 on 1 fight with him in the MPA.

It's a shame you allow your prejudices to confine you. See I'd even teach you Arlo some of the wonders of ACM that'd make the little propellor on top of your school cap spin around in suprise and glee. I didn't mither on 200, didn't claim to be anyone's Daddy and only smack-talked the free-range rude. I championed the philosophy of dogfighting I learned here by experimenting, working, studying and leading by example. Aren't you curious to see what was once at the core of ACES HIGH before it's gone?


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Re: Saying Goodbye
« Reply #64 on: February 28, 2019, 11:50:46 AM »
Until you are playing regularly  why don't you stfu and quit trying to degrade the game by same old tired comments? In fact if I was HT I would ban players that quit from even posting on the forum. Sure seems strange to me that people that complain or quit the game seem to still hang around and put their worthless 2 cents in.  :old:


Same old denialists same old self delusion from same ole lazy baby-boomers who don't want to face the fact that there is no analogous replacement to what Aces High once was, avoid their responsibility for their part in its downfall and self-medicate as their familiar comfort zone shrinks like a deflated balloon and their retirements are about to get even more dull than originally planned. Burn  :)
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Re: Saying Goodbye
« Reply #65 on: February 28, 2019, 12:38:41 PM »
It's a shame you allow your prejudices to confine you. See I'd even teach you Arlo some of the wonders of ACM that'd make the little propellor on top of your school cap spin around in suprise and glee. I didn't mither on 200, didn't claim to be anyone's Daddy and only smack-talked the free-range rude. I championed the philosophy of dogfighting I learned here by experimenting, working, studying and leading by example. Aren't you curious to see what was once at the core of ACES HIGH before it's gone?

Actually, there is no shame for I'm not prone to the prejudices you pretend to perceive. I've been a student of ACM since AW, so there's likely not much you could teach me. I don't tune 200, so there's not much chance you would ever have impressed me there, either. As much as you fancy yourself a philosopher of dog fighting and a fine example of such all you really are on the forum is a boor. I, like most here, know what AH is, at it's core and more. Have a nice day. looking forward to your next big dramatic departure from the forum.  :D
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Re: Saying Goodbye
« Reply #66 on: February 28, 2019, 01:11:21 PM »
I've been a student of ACM since AW, so there's likely (not?) much you could teach me.

Have you? That would be marvellous if more time == more skill yet I'm told you're an ubernoob who couldn't drive a greasy stick up a dog's arse. Still no duel?


I'm not prone to the prejudices you pretend to perceive.

That's remarkable because you present as nothing more than a walking prejudice.


Have a nice day. looking forward to your next big dramatic departure from the forum.  :D

Oooooh, what an unanticipated gambit on your part. Couldn't see that coming at all. Tactical genius. Of course you do.



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Re: Saying Goodbye
« Reply #67 on: February 28, 2019, 01:30:29 PM »
If your 'philosophy' is that you know more about ACM due to nothing but AH then I suggest you activate a paid account and be everyone's bright, shining example in the MA.  ;)

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Re: Saying Goodbye
« Reply #68 on: February 28, 2019, 01:35:38 PM »
Have you? That would be marvellous if more time == more skill yet I'm told you're an ubernoob who couldn't drive a greasy stick up a dog's arse. Still no duel?
There's the toxicity everyone must be talking about.
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Re: Saying Goodbye
« Reply #69 on: February 28, 2019, 01:44:20 PM »
If your 'philosophy' is that you know more about ACM due to nothing but AH then I suggest you activate a paid account and be everyone's bright, shining example in the MA.  ;)

Do the words look like this:  -- ---- - ----- - ------- -- --- ------- -- -- ------ - ---- -- -- ---

Until you see something you can troll on?


Let's duel for forum accounts  :)



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Re: Saying Goodbye
« Reply #70 on: February 28, 2019, 01:45:45 PM »
There's the toxicity everyone must be talking about.

Arlo and I have history. He thinks I'm a boor and I think he flies dressed as Captain Viagra from Marvel comics :)

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Re: Saying Goodbye
« Reply #71 on: February 28, 2019, 01:58:16 PM »
Thank you for the first response in a long series of threads where someone actually doesn't want to make the bad sounds go away.

Perhaps stop taking the automatic position that criticism is negative and must be shut down immediately. That differing opinions are a thing that must be devalued instead of examined. List and complain about the things in the game that aren’t working and keeping new players from joining.

Criticise on 200 selfish gameplay and try to re-cultivate the natural self-balance it had about four-to-five years ago. Press HTC to act on the complains of the OP - raw data and points of action.

Make a bloody noise for new game content from HTC, new planes (would be highly likely to bring old players back to try), lobby for new persistent arenas and new gameplay possibilities. The flight model is good, the planeset is large. Possibilities are endless.

If you meet someone who can out-fly you ask if they can teach you something. If you’re clearly better than your opponent offer to teach them something. Go to the MPA and duel a bit, or fly in the TA to help others (or warm up there). Don’t be the second or third man in on a fight, stay out and be classy (some did that in the war you know (Marseille, Guynemer, Stigler...)). Try to not allow your gameplay to converge to a repetitive comfort zone. It's bad for everyone. Add balance to the presently dominant 'winning' cult. It isn't Per se a game issue but a cultural one.

Fight for your game because it is already lost to some of us and you might shortly also experience the process all the players on the European, Japanese and Australasian timezones have experienced. Many of us said it would spread out on both sides of the clock and no-one listened because it didn’t affect them. Now it’s squashing US primetime.

See we know, this is not speculation, we've experienced the death of the game. It is too late for non-US players I feel. You can ask Lusche if I’m too edgy for your tastes. No offence taken.

Being a person who designs/helps design events for the community to fly in, I never take criticism as negative. Any time anyone says anything about one of our designs I always take it into consideration, and decide on the best course of action based on the complaint, previous designs, historical concerns, etc. It is always fun though, when someone simply posts or says "this event sucks" and I have to spend the night deciphering and speculating why that person didn't enjoy it, but I'm digressing.

I think one big thing with the game is it isn't very "new player" intuitive. There's a few videos and the trainers site, but basically you just get put into an arena with no direction. Fortunately, some changes have been made recently (such as changes to mouse play and being put at a base close to action in the arena) to help with this. A game like World of Tanks for example puts you in a training battle and teaches you how to shoot, drive, aim, switch ammo types, etc. I'm not sure if AH could support something of that "guided tutorial" nature, but it would be helpful.

As far as new content, I've asked for plenty of planes, others have as well. My requests are mainly Special Events biased such as the D.520 or the Pe-2 to fill holes where we have to use substitute planes as well. I understand HTC are busy getting the old models up to snuff, and the reworks look great. I don't really know how else to ask for new content other than on the forum, and I don't think raising holy hell and making myself look like an bellybutton will get the Pe-2 added any faster.

I really don't have much time to fly in the MA so I can't help you there. When I do, it is before FSO to get a few sorties in or sometimes during the week for a little while. I remember the days of old when Ghosth (I think) would sit at the end of the runway in his D3A and help new players for hours, I think the trainers had 'shifts' to go into the TA and help out, I'm not sure if that's the case anymore...but not really my department.

I agree with you that the players can help out in their own way, but they/we can only do so much. I like to think I'm doing the most that I can being on the CM team.

I really want to get the "aceshigh" subreddit going, as I think it is free advertising on one of the largest website in the world, but it takes a lot to get something going like that.
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Re: Saying Goodbye
« Reply #72 on: February 28, 2019, 08:14:44 PM »
So Dace isn't some shade account persona Skuzzy was running was it?  :noid
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Re: Saying Goodbye
« Reply #73 on: February 28, 2019, 09:23:32 PM »
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Re: Saying Goodbye
« Reply #74 on: February 28, 2019, 09:32:12 PM »
Until you are playing regularly  why don't you stfu and quit trying to degrade the game by same old tired comments? In fact if I was HT I would ban players that quit from even posting on the forum. Sure seems strange to me that people that complain or quit the game seem to still hang around and put their worthless 2 cents in.  :old:

I dont think anyone is trying to degrade the game, we comment because we care. We hate seeing the game slowly drop in numbers, game play suffer, and more and more people leave.

I have been playing this game and sending my $15 a month since Sept 2001. This is the only game I really play. It is deep, it has a ton of things to do and compete in against other real players. Today you dont see the same type of play, competition, or for lack of a better word, FIGHT.

In the old days HTC could stand on what they had. They still had good numbers of new players rolling in to offset the players leaving. Not anymore. Today those players that are "not the norm", that quit a game and move on to something new are the ones keeping this game alive. I wonder what the percentage of players in the game that have been here over 5 years? I think Hitech said 18 months to 2 years is the life of a player in a game. Those of us who have stuck it out thru the good times as well as the bad are the ones carrying the game.

The gaming industry has change, what gamers are looking for in a game has changed and yet Aces High has not. That is why we see the numbers slowly drop away. Changes need to be made to make it easier for new players to get going and ease the frustration level while trying to learn all there is to learn. Be it interactive training "missions", or even hand holding of new players by vets. Changes are needed.