now got realy inaf

[minus]

hi flokz , yes i em a lame  i dont now what but got inaf, i love the planes  realy , and i got the lucky time fly some serios planes
not the Yankie lpropaganda legend that sure but anyway planes
/like everi1 in my family got the pro military carer my grand pa flow the avia Cs 199 alias bf109 wih some junk engine , a rel dog nobady never liked , they never singet glory for wictory  in war is not a pleasure even if u win so ......
 that aone thing before i say bay bay to my country go a chance try the  albatros  the training jet of my country and some other civil monoplaces or other
anyway even if u a bigest dumb head with the bigest desepertion  and fear  i cant imagine  to manovre like this ,  i hered readet lots about the war , and first thing is never underestimate you adverser   in east block nevr hired a glory sing of the superiority of arms but in west the Comerce whio win the public opinion is important so  lets Lie a big time about what is the true , anyway they layet a lots for us to :! :*-)))))  
 hups Sory gentlemans  for this all jsut got angry and got a botle of wine  :-)))))
ans sory for englis
 but think twice if USAF data are true germans are born  every second a 20 years old pilot becosethey kiled somany german with the super yankie iron RAf get all the time  big laff on it :-))) Salute the RAf the brave folkz  they win the war
in WB the jug is a jug the hog is a hog they have advantages and disadvantages  u can win  and lose with any plane
in AH u can win a uber super plane only when is a newbie or sleping or typing
make the a plane and not a Flying Legend
and stop about wing load my englis is poor to explain what i know or what i like to say ,but before it let me tuch the albatros sticjk i got 2 years hard hard studiing about all what come with planes !@
another thing

everi1 kno the stuf when conection less god u see the micro warps Ok when it move left right but when it begin to se foward  ahead foward ahead ????   u say my conection hmmm can bee
after 2 years whine got from  local telphone like a one of first user of ADSL  i gona see from 3 juin what that change
another thing zom factor , is it true if u go fast everithing is small  but inall sims all the time is small everithing , the graphik engine , ups maybe got from some frend the SDK named FLY  is it jsut a same looks like AH engine but in gunship2k is it more nice in ground mean and zom and distance  the sky sux that true
just a bunch of whine nothing alse in this post but i well we are all jsut a diferent type of Quakers i dont know where is the pleasure to win in uber plane ? where is the chalange ?  where is the diferent characteristic of the planes ?  where ?
 sometime if no looks u say all the same
:-((( got upsed  and many others , i dont wont to learn the Game dont say about ACA again    i jsut liek to have something where we can say we fly and fight
for now i cant say this

cya getlemans ,,,, the negative whiner minus  last in the leader with less score :-)))

[RAM]

??? and all this because you were outturned in a 190A5 by a light P47?

Come on minus, the official whiner of Aces High is me. Grab another Fw190 (lots of them left unused in JG2 since I left   )and kill some jugs in revenge!!  

And if you need some help in Fw gimme a yell and I'll glad help you in the TA.

Come on, let the wine and go up again, bud!!!

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[ra]

Minus,

If you are saying that the AH Jug is more Uber than the WB Jug, you probably haven't flown either very much.

If you think the Jug is Uber, go ahead and fly one for a whole tour, we'll see how your score goes.

ra

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[SFRT - Frenchy]

Minus, I told you online already what happened:

I was in a P47 with about 15% fuel left, almost ready to RTB. I saw you coming on me from high, no way I can dogfight you. I tried to escape but u was still closing on me. When you went in my 1.2K in my 6 i dived 45 degree and did a barrel roll, u zooooomed by me and pulled a vertical. I was right behind you with less speed.

While climbing you started a tight turn, I was at this time stalling at the top of my loop, working rudders to make the nose follow you while being inverted. the u came a bit bellow me still turning tight, my nose was still following you as my nose was droping down from my stall while I was fighting with rudders to maintain barely my nose toward you.

When my nose was back down and i was back head up feet down, u were still in a tight turn slightly below me. I pulled gently to bring back the nose a bit infront of you and hoosed you, then entered a deep stall but you were downed already.

ok, I wish I had the video because I'm not sure anybody can understand what I tried to explain     Call it skill, call it luck, probaly a mix of them.

believe me, I fear FWA5 probably as much as you fear P47's     I don't say you are fly A5 wrong, but when a AH FW ace flies it, I don't outturn it    

It remember's me a story in the french Air Force, where a friend chopper pilot was engaged by a Mirage. The Mirage dived on him, missed his pass and instead of extended started a long high G turn. My friend the chopper pilot, went low speed and pointed his guns to the Mirage during all his high G turn. The gun cam is funny as you can see the Mirage pilot looking straight at the gun cam while eating all those G's for nothing. I believe that's what happend while I stalled at the top of the loop. (Does this makes more sense ).

Anyway, I'm getting more confident in this P47 but I still fear other planes, I just try to fly it in his limits and try to get really good at flying 'off limits' to use it as a surprise element.

Minus, my friend, i hope I could cheer you up.

Oh and BTW, Dogfhtr, it was a great fight today when you engaged me from higher, both in a P47. It was short but intense, i had a lot of fun, Salute!

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[minus]

hmmmmmmmmm
 anyway i em not angry to any 1  not at all
just the thing logical in real life in AH is oposite i cant arange this in my brain
 the jug in WB it sux a pigy pig nothin alse :-)) in AH a dmm dangerous thing the jug it  lose E and alt it stil can outturn u
i hope with time the planes get tuned  
definitly the mature  simulation is not ready
maybe 1 day ???

[SFRT - Frenchy]

When u read WW2 reports of P47 pilots, it wasn't so much of a flying brick as others sims used to model it. Sure it was never mention it was outturning a spit, but it was doing enought against LWF. I can type some interviews if you want Minus. (and I'm sure you can find reports who prove ur point too).

I don't think the Jug needs a re-tune nor that the sim is still imature. Go fly a p47 and turnfight Zigrat when he flies a A5 and let me know how over-modeled the P47 is  

I think a lot of persons get a fixed idea of how planes handle and are surprised and cry BS when it doesn't fit they idea. Everybody know that the zeke id slow. Today i saw a higher zeke in my P47 and said, well no sweat. he start diving on me, I dived too, he caught back with me and shot me down.

So a slow plane caught the king of divers, I didn't yelled BS, I just misjudge him. people also compare other flight models from other sims too. it's two different things, Wb is WB, Ah is AH, CFS is CFS, AW3 is AW3 and so on. I remember that when I was flying WB/AW3/Janes WW2/EAW I had a lot of problem to remember what could do what and got shot down because of that.

You flew for real Minus? Ever tried some basic fighter manoeuvers? I tried to do cisors in a Mooney... geez... it was taking me what I felt 'forever' to roll from 1 turn to an another. AH is what looks more real to me.

WB was supposed to be voted the best FM. When I flew WB 1 year ago, the planes were very unstable in pitch right before stalling for small joystick variations. Humm on what I flew so far, controls are pretty slugish when close from stalling. A zeke fight in WB was almost making me epileptic and throwing up because I think it was too fast. Some people like there game faster, it ok with me.
But as far as I'm concerned, when I do a turnfight between P47's on deck at very slow speed and we seems like in slow motion, I like it because it's what closer from my real aviation experience.

Don't remember why i said all this hehehe, I think it's because I just read a thread about WB/AH.

Oh well, good night all, I have a flight at 0730E tomorrow and still have those silly procedure to sharpen.  

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[bike killa]

czesc minus  
jesli zamierzasz odejsc to nie rob tego.....
fajnie bylo z toba latac i mam nadzieje, ze tak bedzie nadal  

[bloom25]

I've flown both the p47 and the a5 this tour.  IMO the a5 is a superior aircraft overall.  Having said that, I prefer the p47 for just a couple reasons.  First, the guns are MUCH easier to hit with and carry a lot of ammo.  Second, the p47 is just a little bit faster and has superior range to the a5.

The 190a5 is just incredible though.    It can outroll, outturn, outgun (strength of salvo), outclimb, and outaccelerate the p47.  (The thing can loop all day long given a 5k advantage.   )  It's main weakness that I can find is the balistics of its cannon.  They are much harder to hit with than the 8x50cal of the p47.  I honestly don't think that anyone can provide evidence that any of my above comparisons are false.  In a co-E fight where both pilots are equal in skill the 190a5 has a large advantage if he keeps the fight in the vertical.

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THUNDERBIRDS

[nonoht]

pleure pas minus  ça m'est arrivé aussi

[funked]

Minus, if you talk with P-47 pilots (I have) you will find it was not uncommon for them to out-turn or out-climb German fighters.  Particularly considering we have a late-model P-47D with nearly 1000 hp more than the Fw 190A or Bf 109G!

I've also spoken with a Luftwaffe pilot who flew most of the USAAF types and he found the P-47 to be the most formidable along with the Spitfire Mk. XIV.

These words are not propoganda - these are the words of the men who fought in these aircraft during the war.

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[Torquila]

Frenchy that was pure luck, i used to do the same thing all the time in my 110 in WB . Sometimes i would be lucky and end up facing them or end up being unlucky and them on my 6, it has a 50/50 chance of working.

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[Daff]

Minus, it's a simply turnrate vs turnradius.
What Frenchy described, I do all the time in the WB P-47.
Basicly you outturned yourself.

Daff


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CO, 56th Fighter Group
"This is Yardstick. Follow me"

[ra]

The WB 190-A4 has a lot tougher time handling the WB P-47D than the AH 190-A5 does handling the AH p-47D.

ra

[Ripsnort]

 

Originally posted by ra:
The WB 190-A4 has a lot tougher time handling the WB P-47D than the AH 190-A5 does handling the AH p-47D.

ra

I'll agree with that!