Author Topic: Louis DuMontier's P-38L  (Read 2582 times)

Offline Vraciu

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Re: Louis DuMontier's P-38L
« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2020, 04:20:03 PM »
Trying to create a normal map directly without a generator will be very difficult to do as it isn't just a purple version of the gray multi-layer image that is used to create it. The split image below shows before and after conversion screenshots of the RH side of the P-38's fuselage pod. The lighter areas on the pre-conversion gray image show as raised areas in the game and the dark panel lines and fasteners show as sunken areas. Now compare this to the purple post-conversion normal map. Here the effect is of a light source shining across the map from its top right corner, for example the raised wing fairing has its top and RH edges lit and its bottom and LH edges shaded. This is actually just what the normal map does to the surface of the skin in the game, except that the lighting source used is the in-game sun.

I'm not sure exactly what you are doing to make a normal map without a converter but if it involves just turning the layered gray image purple then its not going to work properly, the map needs to have this corner-lit 3D effect for the game to read the file correctly.

My normal map won't work with your skin either as the panel lines, fasteners and other details on it won't match the positions of the ones on your skin's other maps. The effect would look terrible, with bumps and dips showing where there was nothing visible on the diffuse map to generate them.

Really you need to get a normal map generator to do this properly. What ones have you tried and why haven't they worked for you?

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Yeah, I've done some pixel by pixel work on my Normal Maps because the generator I've used didn't do what I liked.   Which one are you using?  Maybe I'll try it.

I won't use your map directly for the reasons you cited--plus I need to figure out how to make them reliably.   I've tried some of the free online generators but that didn't do much.   I wound up deleting most of what they produced and tweaking mine by hand.

Great explanation.   Much appreciated.
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Re: Louis DuMontier's P-38L
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2020, 04:24:20 PM »
Yes, Lyric is an enormous help to us.

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Another reason OUR skinners are so great.... share the wealth of information.

I do include Lyric in that bunch since even the best skins are lacking without good information to base them on.  :salute Lyric

Lyric1 is just about indispensable.


Devil and Greebo have been my mentors.   Wouldn't be here without them. 

And guys like Oboe continually push the envelope of what's possible.   There are others, like FTJR who review the work for accuracy when they would probably prefer to work on their own skins.   It works out to being a good bunch. 
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Re: Louis DuMontier's P-38L
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2020, 12:30:46 AM »
Thank you all for the nice comments.
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Re: Louis DuMontier's P-38L
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2020, 02:36:09 AM »
Yeah, I've done some pixel by pixel work on my Normal Maps because the generator I've used didn't do what I liked.   Which one are you using?  Maybe I'll try it.

I'm using an Nvidia plug-in for Photoshop that I discovered also works with Paint Shop Pro. I just checked the Nvidia download page I originally got it from and it seems there are now two expanded versions of this tool available. As well as normal mapping the latest program can now generate mipmaps and do texture compression, not features we need for AH skins. One useful thing however is that as well as the Photoshop plug-in I use there is now a stand-alone version. I recall spending hours figuring out how to get the plug-in to work in PaintShop Pro. In the end it took a couple of minutes to alter a couple of settings in PSP and then point it to the plug-in folder on the HDD. So for simplicity's sake the stand alone version might be the way to go.

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Re: Louis DuMontier's P-38L
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2020, 08:10:45 AM »
I'll check it out.   Thanks G.


And Lyric, you're welcome.  Most deserved.
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Re: Louis DuMontier's P-38L
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2020, 10:36:37 AM »
Thank you all for the nice comments.
I enjoy the hunt for finding subject matter. :aok

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Re: Louis DuMontier's P-38L
« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2020, 12:21:21 PM »
I found him one in a jar... it said Abby Normal.  :joystick:

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