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Re: Two ace P-38
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2020, 09:39:36 PM »
It became obvious after enough fratricide shootings of pilots firing at flashes of red. There are examples of Japanese front aircraft with the red outline though.
Here is just a few.


I'm speaking more specifically about 5th AF birds.  Sorry I was not clear on that.  The Aleutian 38s may have had red around the roundels.  Having spend a lot of time on the 54th FS, I don't recall coming across a photo of one.  I never trust profiles, and I love doing them for fun :)    Was there a photo of a 39th 38 with red around the star and bar?  I dug through the 39th FS history and didn't find any.  I'm not stating there is no chance that one existed, but it was not the norm in the 5th AF

In general, in the photos that are clear in the histories of the 5th AF 38 groups it shows just the white bar, and later the blue outlined star and bar after the short lived red outlined version was dropped.  I suppose new production aircraft made when the red outlined star and bar was used may have arrived in theater with the red outlines.  But the practice with the 5th was to eliminate them for the obvious reasons.
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Re: Two ace P-38
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2020, 10:32:32 PM »
Here's a nice color one of 54th FG P-38E's?  F's?   with the red bordered star:


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Re: Two ace P-38
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2020, 10:18:43 AM »
Check this guy out..  lotsa stuff going on, might make a great display for the new 3d shapes.

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Re: Two ace P-38
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2020, 10:51:02 AM »
Lyric1 has already found me a lot of photos of "Spirit of 76" and its definitely on my radar. The colour photo of 54 th FS P-38s is interesting, the extent to which  the medium green is painted across the leading edges wings of the nearest aircraft is not something I have seen before.

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Re: Two ace P-38
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2020, 11:07:40 AM »
That lighter green on the leading edges of wing and horizontal stabilizer is very unique - the pattern is asymetric, and doesn't conform to any underlying panel sections.

Could it be paint discoloration due to deicing chemicals?   I imagine they had to often clear plane wings of ice and snow buildup before missions...

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Re: Two ace P-38
« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2020, 12:07:30 AM »
That's George Laven's first "Itsy Bitsy" in the color photo.  Number 80 on the nose.
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Re: Two ace P-38
« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2020, 05:33:02 AM »
The light green could be discolouration due to chemical attack but to me it seems too regular for that and the USAAF marking paint on the LH wing isn't affected the same way. Also the rest of the formation does not show the same effect. I think a field-applied paint job seems more likely.

Apparently Laven flew two P-38s with the 54th FS, both named "Itsy Bitsy", the first was number 76 and the second number 80. "Spirit of 76" was a different airframe to Laven's number 76 though.

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Re: Two ace P-38
« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2020, 08:03:08 AM »
80s tail surfaces seem to have the neutral grey applied, in roughly the same manner that exhaust stains would form on the surface.  Could this be a colorized photo, with the colorizer mis-interpreting wetahering details and applying color differences where none should be?

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« Last Edit: December 05, 2020, 12:32:41 PM by Fencer51 »
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« Last Edit: December 05, 2020, 12:47:16 PM by Fencer51 »
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Re: Two ace P-38
« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2020, 02:29:24 PM »
Very cool Fencer, thanks.   I'm at a loss to explain that pattern.  Doesn't seem like a camo; seems far too extensive for touch-up of leading edge chips and scratches...<shrug>

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Re: Two ace P-38
« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2020, 02:49:16 PM »
Maybe flying in the weather up their wore away the plant on the leading edges..
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