Author Topic: Pyro. a strightfoward question. (Read 643 times)

Citabria · « **Reply #15 on:** June 30, 2000, 03:02:00 AM »

its now officially perfect and needs no more fiddling with.

guns is excelently balanced now

they dont need fixing

crabofix · « **Reply #16 on:** June 30, 2000, 03:51:00 AM »

Im so sick and tired of people knowing exactly what kind of quality the armour had vs the cannons/machineguns 39-45.

Let the guys do the game, if you hav´nt noticed, it´s the same for everyone.
AH is our universe and HTC sets up the naturallaws. Hypotetical questions from people never been there doin the real thing, claming uber/undermodelled stuff, are very boring.

Why dont you guys go and buy the real thing and set up a arena for real, with live bullets? Shure, it would cost a bit and maybe you would finelly get the answer.
The one who lives could come and tell the rest here about the lethality, ok?

Crabofix

cars · « **Reply #17 on:** June 30, 2000, 04:17:00 AM »

well said crabo.

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Koed · « **Reply #18 on:** June 30, 2000, 05:19:00 AM »

Pyro, could you clarify

"minor changes in armor penetration with .50s"
?

Creamo · « **Reply #19 on:** June 30, 2000, 05:43:00 AM »

No offence fellas, but who has a clue what damage should or should not be?

I deal with aircraft everyday, main point repairing them. Of course WWII planes,they aint,but still, ya get a feel for what grade of aluminum makes up what.

The older planes were crap compared to even a small turboprop today.

The final translation is the sim ala AH.I simply can't make a educated response,cuz,well, Im trying to get ED-U MA-Cated. I have no idea how they make 1001001001 make a computer see a accurate damage model.Still, it SEEMS just right. I dig it!Still there willbe a mass of "experts" who feel they "Know" what should do what and when.

Without getting all number crunchy, take these 2 points.

1. Aircraft are so fragile, even wind will fuk em up.

2. A single, yes single,.30mm should really make your AH day toejamty. See next case in point-

Here's real life,and what 1 BIRD does to a modern aircraft relative to the size of a B17.

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arhurb · « **Reply #20 on:** June 30, 2000, 06:05:00 AM »

Ditto Crabo!

Cheers,

Pepino

RAM · « **Reply #21 on:** June 30, 2000, 06:14:00 AM »

Nah, Creamo, That bird was overmodelled!

RL damage is porked!!! I'll Whine to God so he fixes it!!!! If he doesnt it I'll quit!!!!!!

WTG HTC! I also think that new modelling is much better than before!.
1.03 simply ROCKS!!!!!

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Vermillion · « **Reply #22 on:** June 30, 2000, 06:39:00 AM »

I'm with Citabria, the guns are about as good as they are going to get, so lets leave em alone.

A bird Creamo?? Well that was obviously a 1998 model Condor with the oversized 5 ft wingspan.

But since they are an endangered species you can obviously see from the production numbers (birth numbers??) that they are not representative of the average bird strike

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-ammo- · « **Reply #23 on:** June 30, 2000, 11:07:00 AM »

Creamo is right--I have seen the results of several birdstrikes here on the Air Force Base I work at, and these are F15E's made out of a "different" material than metal, The damage is impressive, cna imagine what 20MM would do.

Lephturn · « **Reply #24 on:** June 30, 2000, 01:23:00 PM »

Don't forget, modern jet aircraft would be moving a heck of a lot faster than a WWII fighter. Also, birds weight a LOT more than a bullet does.

The pilots of that jet above must have needed a change of shorts after that one!

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Duckwing6 · « **Reply #25 on:** June 30, 2000, 03:24:00 PM »

Lepthurn 99% of all birdstrikes happen within 500feet of the ground and a B737 on finals flies at about 135 - 160 knots .. true the bird is a lot heavier than a 20mm grenade but it's a hell of a lot slower AND it doesn't explode (well sorta)

We had a Birdstrike recently on an engine cowl where the Bird hit the colw just at the heated lip (very strong and thick material) it made a "dent" about 1 1/2 foot wide, 13 inches across and 10 inch deep (then it hit the bulkhead..)

I'll try to post that pic as soon as i'm in the office again..

DW6

Creamo · « **Reply #26 on:** June 30, 2000, 07:01:00 PM »

What Duckwing said -

I'll add I don't really think a single .20 or .30mm should bring down a plane, (in theory they could ala pilot headshot or engine), but should'nt take a whole lot either.

AH damage model seems right on.

BTW, those ducks damn near downed that plane. It was a mess. Check out the gore and the wing damage.

We added a little nose art for the victories too...

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easymo · « **Reply #27 on:** June 30, 2000, 10:58:00 PM »

Im waighing in on the,lets just leave the guns alone now, side.

The constant changes in that other sim drove me nuts. Well... nutty,er

Hazed · « **Reply #28 on:** June 30, 2000, 11:33:00 PM »

I want guns that fire BIRDS

takatakataka squwaaaark booom

Kats · « **Reply #29 on:** July 01, 2000, 03:02:00 AM »

Quote

I'll add I don't really think a single .20 or .30mm should bring down a plane

There's a good chance a 30mm will.

That's what a 30mm strike looks liek on the fueslage of a spitfire.

Btw, I agree with you that the gunnery seems well balanced.

Author Topic: Pyro. a strightfoward question. (Read 643 times)

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