Self defense?

[Eagler]

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Thanks decoy

The capt and I go back and forth on many things as our pov seem to be 180 from each other which is what makes the world go round..

I posted this b4 the verdict was read interested in what the  2nd amendment group here had to say about the facts of this case

I don't think that is political

Interested now in the response the verdict will bring and how that is covered by our bias media ... the verdict response on some networks is truly amazing to be believed as it is nothing but political and biased

Eagler

[decoy]

And what are you doing?

That was just an observation.  My other posts on this thread have been in response to Eagler's original post or to subsequent comments.

What are you doing?  Inquiring minds and such...

[RotBaron]

worst acting that actually worked.


semp

As Eagler said, and as I said to you a few nights ago: that was a panic attack.

He wasn’t attempting to cry, he was hyperventilating and freaking out. I have witnessed so many in my work and I also have them from PTSD.

Watch some YouTube videos of ppl while they are having one, you’ll see the similarities….easy to spot

[CptTrips]

That was just an observation

As was mine.

[decoy]

Thanks decoy

The capt and I go back and forth on many things as our pov seem to be 180 from each other which is what makes the world go round..

I posted this b4 the verdict was read interested in what the  2nd amendment group here had to say about the facts of this case

I don't think that is political

Interested now in the response the verdict will bring and how that is covered by our bias media ... the verdict response on some networks is truly amazing to be believed as it is nothing but political and biased

Eagler

It's obvious that the media, and politician on both sides of the aisle, politicize events that are devisive enough without adding anything extra.  I don't know what happened that night, but I do know that both the prosecution and the defense presented their evidence and the jury took four days to reach a decision.  I have sat on traverse juries in the past and the simplest pieces of evidence get batted back and forth like tennis balls, and I'm sure that was the case here.

The media is already speculating about civil suits, but guy KR shot in the arm testified that he pointed a handgun at KR moments before he was shot.  Pretty much a buzzsaw for cutting the legs off a case, imho.

[guncrasher]

As Eagler said, and as I said to you a few nights ago: that was a panic attack.

He wasn’t attempting to cry, he was hyperventilating and freaking out. I have witnessed so many in my work and I also have them from PTSD.

Watch some YouTube videos of ppl while they are having one, you’ll see the similarities….easy to spot

I get panic attacks all the time,  that was bad acting.


semp

[guncrasher]

the irony of it all is that the only person going to jail is the one who bought the gun for him.



semp

[CptTrips]

As Eagler said, and as I said to you a few nights ago: that was a panic attack.

He wasn’t attempting to cry, he was hyperventilating and freaking out. I have witnessed so many in my work and I also have them from PTSD.

Watch some YouTube videos of ppl while they are having one, you’ll see the similarities….easy to spot

I have no doubt. 

I also have little doubt that others saw a non-uniformed guy running down a street with an semi-auto rifle and people yelling "He shot someone!"  As far as they knew, they were dealing with an Aurora, CO shooter.  It was a crap situation all around.


Perhaps an argument for underage CosPlay LARPers to not cross state lines with near mil-grade weapons to insert themselves in situations best left to uniformed police/ National Guard units.  This situation is a perfect example of why amateur vigilantism can cause more problems than it solves. 


How many people did the trained, uniformed police panic-shoot that evening?


In any case, the jury has delivered the verdict.  Civil juries will operate under different rules.

[decoy]

  This situation is a perfect example of why amateur vigilantism can cause more problems than it solves. 

I will apologize in advance, but I laughed out loud over this.  Is there such a thing as professional vigilantism? 

I agree with you that vigilante justice is wrong, whether it occurs at the hands of an individual, a small group of people, or at the hands of a mob.  It's never a case of them having 'the right intentions.'  Possibly in their own minds, but that doesn't excuse lawless behavior.  Maybe I need a new business card.

[CptTrips]

I will apologize in advance, but I laughed out loud over this.  Is there such a thing as professional vigilantism? 

Fair point.  It would have been better worded as "amateurs and vigilantes".  I make the distinction because even if they had been deputized, they would not have been properly trained and being not being uniformed, couldn't readily be distinguished from an domestic terrorist on a shooting spree.

Again, the trained, uniformed police didn't panic-shoot anyone that night.  There is a lesson there.

I expected the verdict.  I didn't follow the case closely.  From what I heard, it sounded over charged.  But the DA may not have had good options that fit.

In any case, it is far, far from over for him I suspect.  Civil cases are more flexible and easier to win.  He and his mom might find getting a devastating multi-million dollar judgement against them taking everything they have and a restitution agreement taking everything they are ever going to earn going forward, a Pyric victory.

We'll see, what we'll see. 

[Busher]

Damn. Now my teenager is gonna want his own AR 15 and I cannot afford a new one. Anyone got a gently used one they wanna sell?

[Ramesis]

the irony of it all is that the only person going to jail is the one who bought the gun for him.

semp

I thought a 17 yr old was allowed to own a rifle in Wisc... I know they are in Alabama 

[CptTrips]

I don't think that is political

If you are not lying, then what did you mean by:

Given the reason they allowed then is gone...

[guncrasher]

I thought a 17 yr old was allowed to own a rifle in Wisc... I know they are in Alabama 

only if your parents sign for it and only for hunting.  I'm surprised judge didn't allow the illegal possession of a rifle.  that was clearly a crime.  his friend is facing up to 20 years for buying the rifle for him.



semp

[Eagler]

If you are not lying, then what did you mean by:

Not in my original post

It means exactly what it sounds like..the truth

Eagler