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Offline Fastbikkel

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Axis need a heavy bomber...
« Reply #75 on: July 27, 2001, 12:32:00 AM »
We need the V-1  :)

Launch it from some base and hope it hits nearby at least.

We can intercept them with typhoons or so.
Maybe they can add this someday, i think it will be nice for scenarios.

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« Reply #76 on: July 27, 2001, 08:55:00 AM »
Contrary to much Luftwobble propaganda  ;) (lighten up, I'm kidding) Axis does NOT equal German.

In fact if you want a good Axis bomber, there are two Japanese mid-late war bombers that are very good.

P1Y2 "Frances"
Ki67 "Peggy"

Either would make an excellent bomber for the MA, and be quite distinct from any bomber that we currently have.

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« Reply #77 on: July 27, 2001, 10:16:00 AM »
Anrky--want to join the axis??  Come on down to Luftwaffe-the knights!

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« Reply #78 on: July 27, 2001, 12:44:00 PM »
Verm I thought we were talking about Heavy bombers in this topic?

What kind of load "Frances" or "Peggy" carried ? 1000-1500kg?

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« Reply #79 on: July 27, 2001, 08:46:00 PM »
Ki-67: 800kg, P1Y1: 1000kg. They both do about 340mph.

He 177A-5 would be good for MA variety - as a "heavy" bomber it fits in between the B-17(good defensive guns, smaller bombload) and the Lancaster(poor defensive guns, massive bombload).

But I think Japan NEEDS a bomber before anyone else. Then Russia(Tu-2/Pe-2 :)) and Italy(S.M.79 :D) too.

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« Reply #80 on: July 27, 2001, 09:32:00 PM »
Staga,

If your deffinition of "heavy" is solely dependant on a bombload of 10,000 lbs + then the He177A-5 is probably the only Axis bomber to qualify.  However, if that is your definition, then the Allies only have one heavy, the Lancaster MkIII.  The Ju88A-4 carries as much of a bombload as the B-17G.

I believe that a aircraft falls into the "Heavy bomber" category due to multiple things, durability, firepower, size, number of engines and bombload.  I do agree that Japanese aircraft have light bombloads.  The design requirement to be able to fly over vast tracts of the Pacific ocean dictated this limitation.

Here are my 3 suggestions for Axis heavy bombers:

He177A-5/R2

Powerplant: Daimler-Benz DB 610A-1 (port) and B-1 (starboard) 24-cylinder liquid-cooled engines, each rated at 2200 kW (2,950 hp) for take-off.
Dimensions: wing span 31.44 m (103 ft 1 in); length 22.00 m (72 ft 1 in); height 6.39 m (21 ft); wing area 102 mē (1,098 sq ft)
Weights: empty equipped 16800 kg (37,037 lb); maximum take-off 31000 kg (68,342 lb)
Performance: maximum speed 488 km/h (303 mph) at 6100 m (20,000 ft); maximum range 5500 km (3,417 miles) with two Hs 293A; service ceiling 8000 m (26,246 ft); time to 3050 m (10,000 ft) 10 minutes
Armament: one 7.9mm MG 81J machine gun in glazed nose; one 20mm MG 151/20 in front ventral gondola; two 7.9mm MG 81 machine guns in rear ventral gondola; two 13mm MG 131 in dorsal barbette; one 13mm MG 131 in dorsal turret; one MG 151/20 in tail; internal weapons bay for 16 SC 50 bombs or four SC 250 or two SC 500; external pylons for two LMA III parachute sea mines, LT torpedoes' Henschel Hs 293A or FX 1400 Fritz X missiles

He177 Advantages: Very heavy bombload and high speed

He177 Disadvantages: Twin engine configuration increases vulnerability.


Kawanishi H8K2 "Emily"

Dimensions: Span 38.00 m, Length 28.13 m, Height 9.15 m, Wing area 160.0 m2
Weights: Empty 18,380 kg, Loaded 24,500 kg, Maximum 32,500 kg, Wing loading 153.1 kg/m2, Power loading 3.3 kg/hp
Performance: Maximum speed 252 kt at 5,000 m, Cruising speed 160 kt at 4,000 m, Climb to 5,000 m in 10 min 12 sec, Service ceiling 8,850 m, Maximum range 3,862 naut miles
Armament: 20 mm Type 99 Model 1 cannon in bow, dorsal and tail turrets and two beam hatches, and 7.7 mm Type 92 machine-guns in ventral, port and starboard fuselage sides and cockpit hatches (H8K2, H8K3 and H8K4)
External load: two 800 kg torpedoes, or eight 250 kg bombs, or sixteen 60 kg bombs or depth-charges (H8K1 to H8K4)
Powerplant: Four Mitsubishi MK4Q Kasei 22 fourteen-cylinder air-cooled radials, rated at 1,850 hp for take-off, 1,680 hp at 2,100 m and 1,540 hp at 5,500 m, driving four-blade metal propellers (H8K2, H8K2-L and H8K3)
Accommodation: Crew of ten (H8K1 to H8K4). Crew of nine and 29 passengers or 64 troops (H8K2-L)

H8K2 Advantages: Extremely durable and very well armed.  Great climb rate.

H8K2 Disadvantages: Light bombload and few produced.  Only flyable from water.


Piaggio P.108B / R1 08C

Country: Italy.
Type: P.108B - seven crew heavy bomber. R1 08C - transport.
Powerplants: Four 1500hp (Piaggio RXII RC35 18-cylinder radials; three bladed propellers.)
Dimensions: Wing span 104ft 11žin (32.00m); length 73ft 1―in (22.29m); height 19ft 8žin (6.00m).
Weights: R1 08B - empty 38,1951b (17325kg); max loaded 65,8851b (29885kg).
Armament: R108B - eight 12.7mm machine guns in nose, ventral turrets, waist and outer nacelle positions; max 77161b (3500kg) bomb load or three 18in (45.7cm) torpedos.
Performance: R108B - max speed 267mph (430km/h) at 13,780ft (4200m); cruise speed 199mph (320km/h); time to 16,405ft (5000m) 21.1 min; service ceiling 27,890ft (8500m); range 1550-2187 miles (2495-3520km).
Operators: Germany, Italy.
Production: 1 R1 08,163 P.1 08B, 16 P.1 08C, 1 R1 08M, 1 P.1 08T, total 182.

P.108B Advantages: Good bombload and defensive armament.

P.108B Disadvatages: Slow and few produced.

[ 07-27-2001: Message edited by: Karnak ]
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