Fuzeman nothing personal but the fights could start sooner
Couple of times a couple of us are going in circles trying to avoid the wall or an approaching plane
After the 2nd 5k is announced the fight should start or you could ask if anyone is not ready after the 1st 5k is stated
IMO
As you don't turn and fight immediately- you are out of icon range, you have time to still climb if you need to
Many times I am not at 5k as I have put the plane in a very shallow slow climb out so I can hit the can
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Eagler