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Offline Ramesis

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1+1 =?
« on: April 29, 2022, 12:35:57 PM »
I seem to recall that someone stated that 1+1=4... couldn't find the post but here is why I think that it isn't true...
I had dig back into my Math books and history but here is how I rationalize it...

For anyone who is/was a math major or minor at University, I'm guessing they took (or should have taken) math theory I and II
If not, everyone should be familiar with numbers of any number system being based on the concept of positional notation
   Positional notation is a method of representing numbers greater than the sum of the basic digits of a number system
      There are an infinite number of number systems but the most common are the unary, binary, octal, decimal and hexadecimal
      The greatest number of digits in a number system, that I know of, is 64 digits developed by, I think, the Sumerians or Babylonians
      The unary number system = 1 digit = 0, the binary number system = the 2 digits 0,1, the octal = 8 digits = 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
      The decimal and hexadecimal number systems should be already known
Positional notation is the arranging of the number being represented (whether horz, vert, etc.) as a sequence of the number system's basic
digits in orders of magnitude
   For example: The decimal number system number 110 can be written as (1x100)+(1x10)+(0x1)
So why is 1+1 not equal to 4 regardless of the number system in use?
   Since, by definition, the unary number 0 = nothing or the absence of something, then (nothing+nothing)= nothing ergo 0+0 = 0
   Since by definition, the binary number system's digits 0= nothing and 1= a single something, then 0+0=0 and 1+1= two somethings or 1+1= 2
I can go on and on but the upshot is, unless a number system's basic digits are redefined, then 1+1 does not equal 4 but rather 1+1 does equal 2
By the way, the number 1 has been defined as a single thing at least since the ancient Egyptians used a single stone, a single finger, a single anything, etc.
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Re: 1+1 =?
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2022, 01:34:31 PM »
Just curious..... have you ever been employed to count votes?

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Re: 1+1 =?
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2022, 01:41:07 PM »
It's true that only 1 out of 10 understand the binary number system and the other half don't.  Don't get started on hexidecimal.
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Re: 1+1 =?
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2022, 01:55:34 PM »
I don’t know what math you are using but in my house 1+1=8.

Wife+myself turn into 6 children
      1+1……….,,,=8
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Re: 1+1 =?
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2022, 03:14:50 PM »
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Re: 1+1 =?
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2022, 07:27:52 AM »
I seem to recall that someone stated that 1+1=4... couldn't find the post but here is why I think that it isn't true...
I had dig back into my Math books and history but here is how I rationalize it...

For anyone who is/was a math major or minor at University, I'm guessing they took (or should have taken) math theory I and II
If not, everyone should be familiar with numbers of any number system being based on the concept of positional notation
   Positional notation is a method of representing numbers greater than the sum of the basic digits of a number system
      There are an infinite number of number systems but the most common are the unary, binary, octal, decimal and hexadecimal
      The greatest number of digits in a number system, that I know of, is 64 digits developed by, I think, the Sumerians or Babylonians
      The unary number system = 1 digit = 0, the binary number system = the 2 digits 0,1, the octal = 8 digits = 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
      The decimal and hexadecimal number systems should be already known
Positional notation is the arranging of the number being represented (whether horz, vert, etc.) as a sequence of the number system's basic
digits in orders of magnitude
   For example: The decimal number system number 110 can be written as (1x100)+(1x10)+(0x1)
So why is 1+1 not equal to 4 regardless of the number system in use?
   Since, by definition, the unary number 0 = nothing or the absence of something, then (nothing+nothing)= nothing ergo 0+0 = 0
   Since by definition, the binary number system's digits 0= nothing and 1= a single something, then 0+0=0 and 1+1= two somethings or 1+1= 2
I can go on and on but the upshot is, unless a number system's basic digits are redefined, then 1+1 does not equal 4 but rather 1+1 does equal 2
By the way, the number 1 has been defined as a single thing at least since the ancient Egyptians used a single stone, a single finger, a single anything, etc.
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I missed that... binary 1+1 = binary 10
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Re: 1+1 =?
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2022, 07:29:26 AM »
I don’t know what math you are using but in my house 1+1=8.

Wife+myself turn into 6 children
      1+1……….,,,=8

Imust be using fuzzy math  :noid
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Re: 1+1 =?
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2022, 01:17:49 PM »
Imust be using fuzzy math  :noid
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