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Offline MiloMorai

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Re: The Great Unwinding
« Reply #255 on: June 23, 2022, 10:23:52 AM »
And once again I'll tell you guys. Milo and spitbull. If you apologize to me I'll let you back into flame warriors. You don't even have to apologize publicly.

And I will say it again, apologize for what. You should apologize to us.

Not that it matters. As not interested in going back to FW and the redneck hillbilly attitude.

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Re: The Great Unwinding
« Reply #256 on: June 23, 2022, 10:26:21 AM »
And once again I'll tell you guys. Milo and spitbull. If you apologize to me I'll let you back into flame warriors. You don't even have to apologize publicly.

Whats flame warriors ?
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Offline Eagler

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Re: The Great Unwinding
« Reply #257 on: June 23, 2022, 10:38:26 AM »
And once again I'll tell you guys. Milo and spitbull. If you apologize to me I'll let you back into flame warriors. You don't even have to apologize publicly.

I think you are advertising your bbs in the wrong thread

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Re: The Great Unwinding
« Reply #258 on: June 23, 2022, 10:53:45 AM »
Whats flame warriors ?

A BB the Feds should look at.

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Re: The Great Unwinding
« Reply #259 on: June 23, 2022, 01:20:41 PM »
Is it a gay site?
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Re: The Great Unwinding
« Reply #260 on: June 23, 2022, 06:05:53 PM »
A BB the Feds should look at.


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Re: The Great Unwinding
« Reply #261 on: June 25, 2022, 12:34:56 PM »
Bear market rallies tend to be "fast, furious, and prone to failure." - Hussman

I expect this current sucker rally to continue at least to next week.  Maybe an impressive rise.  But you never know.  If I was still stuck with longs that made me nervous (I'm not  ;)) I might use any temporary rally to unload at a better price than I am likely to find later.

End of quarter Window Dressing https://www.investopedia.com/terms/w/windowdressing.asp, temporary oversold conditions are pushing this until July.

Assuming no massive negative catalysts between now and end of Q2. 

I would expect pain to recommence start of Q3.  Things might get really sporty once Q2 earnings start coming in mid-July.  Then 0.75-1.0 BSP rate raise again next meeting.

I see some pundits sure that the market\economy pain will cause the Fed to pivot by Sept.  I absolutely reject that thesis.  First, this is not the same Fed as previous years.  This set of voting members are majority hawks and they are quite done with the pain and risk too much loose money for too long has caused.  I think those hoping for a pivot to save this bloated market are engaging in magical wishful thinking. 

When inflation is under control they might pause rate hikes, but that is not enough to prevent the market from trending back toward historical trend norms, which would be a lot closer to around S&P 2000 line.

Short of near societal collapse, don't expect a lowering of rates with this class of Fed voters. Setting a broken bone hurts, but you got to do it.

They're quoting Volcker for cripes sake.  That's like a President quoting Lincoln.  You know you are in for some pain then.


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Re: The Great Unwinding
« Reply #262 on: June 27, 2022, 10:09:29 AM »
Ponder this...



There is still a lot of carry over from people who had loans locked in at lower rates and real-estates has a built in lag.  But it's starting to roll over.  Price reductions are showing up.  Time-on-market increasing.  There is a metric crap ton of new inventory that builders are bringing on-line that they started at the peak of the bubble that is going to sit empty and on their books.

Mortgage rates pretty much doubled just on the first rate hike.  Another same size or larger coming end of July.  Another probably in Sept.  Look at how large that segment is.  When recession, lay-offs, crashed stock market, destroyed wealth effect, (debt security defaults?),  and sky-rocketing mortgage rates all converge on that market segment...it's going to get sporty.

You're witnessing history.

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Re: The Great Unwinding
« Reply #263 on: June 27, 2022, 11:31:15 AM »

And MBS' are starting to go no-bid on occasion.  Mortgages packaged up for sale as an instrument and the market saying, "mmmmm no thanks."  Eventually you can keep lowering it until you find a speculator, but it's an ominous sign. 

If this is the movie Titanic, the water is not yet up to our knees, but we all just felt a shudder go though ship.


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« Reply #264 on: June 29, 2022, 11:09:41 PM »


Well that anticipated rally kinda fell flat.   There was plenty of volume, but it seemed that every time someone starting buying, someone else used it as an opportunity to unload some. So things sort churned and didn't build traction.  Not a good sign.  No bueno.  ;)









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« Reply #265 on: June 30, 2022, 06:35:59 AM »
Decades of financial abuse and bloating with almost zero interest money will take much longer than the kramer types want to admit...America has no patience.

I hear the fear that they won't kill the inflation dragon as they will lose their nerve and start the next bubble cycle sooner then they should

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Re: The Great Unwinding
« Reply #266 on: June 30, 2022, 06:56:22 AM »
I should have got everything on credit and then gone mental.

Getting certified in the UK you cannot be taken to court.

Biden and Clinton are your friends :rofl

You people  :rofl

Always someone else to blame never your stupid greedy selves.

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Re: The Great Unwinding
« Reply #267 on: June 30, 2022, 12:27:16 PM »
Always someone else to blame never your stupid greedy selves.

I'm only mostly greedy.

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« Reply #269 on: July 02, 2022, 10:50:27 AM »
With the skyrocketing cost of agriculture the markets and economy will be negatively affected for the next several years..

The full impact of what is happening now is lagging but will be felt strongly...catastrophically for some

It's only just begun to get interesting

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