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Re: Something you won't find in your mainstream media
« Reply #450 on: June 22, 2022, 12:15:35 AM »
Do you see how she was manipulated at the young age of 9 to do a drug? Think about that for a second. She was in no way old enough to make an educated decision. Since the drug was so addictive. She could not willfully stop, and became more dependent on it.

This is my point. "Addicts" are generally deceived at an early age due to societal and cultural pressures from their peers and influencers. Can we blame them for not understanding what they are getting themselves into? When you have such powerful drugs like meth, herion, fentenyl, oxycodine, ect that have such an addictive hold and creates the degradation of their mind, spirit, body, and livelyhood. It's becoming clear that it's not just a "drug" but an attack on the culture in order to weaken and dismantle it.

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« Reply #451 on: June 22, 2022, 03:24:04 AM »
Hey, do you and Arlo support support Klous Schwab and the WEF or not?

Ooooooooooooh, I see what this is all about. Technocrats, yes Europe has a predilection for producing those. A real nasty infestation too. Got the makings of a fine James Bond movie. "So Mr. Bond, I see you refuse to turn vegan and give up your Vaalter PPK...".

I can see why that would be scary. A minority of openly powerful people, highly educated, technical, scheming, rich, and democratically unaccountable threatening your covertly powerful, moderately educated, untechnical, scheming, rich and democratically unaccountable minority whilst subtly manipulating public opinion that it really matters which dingleberry president you've been fighting over to keep your fuel prices low and not threaten your illusion of freedom through gun ownership*.

A remarkable parallel from a certain perspective. If only I was intelligent enough to draw the logical inference, it's like something on a high shelf I just can't reach...   :)

* Yeah that's a bit mean to say. I'm just trying to make the point that if only your focus was leading the world as a beacon of democracy, industry, technology and culture as you once promised to be. Instead you've rather let your shape-shifting lizard people corrupt noble concepts into a farcical contrived duality of distraction, convenience, materialism and self-interest, which rides right on the edge of a second civil war, while consigning the rest of the world to the servitude of your empire through unnecessarily-aggressive nationalism and the false limitation of resources. I guess all institutions corrupt with time. Processes, influences, careful control of education, deliberate cultural steering...  It's also pretty clear now why people like Shuffler and Eagler don't seem to have a clue how things actually work - they probably have guns!

Wait a minute, did I just accidentally move this thread slightly back on topic?  :headscratch:
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« Reply #452 on: June 22, 2022, 03:58:19 AM »
They are Freaking infiltrating countries around the world to push the WEF agenda. MR. IM EDUCATED IN HISTORY but then refuses to acknowledge nefarious global government organizations trying to infiltrate America and push its agenda with its corrupt government officials and business leaders. How stupid can you possibly be? Are you really this naive. Sorta like how you shrug off 100K over doses a year and don't care about gangs destroying the country. You people are losers and you don't have the #s on your side.

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« Reply #453 on: June 22, 2022, 06:38:13 AM »
Sure.... we don't have a clue...can't reach the high shelf ...lol

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Re: Something you won't find in your mainstream media
« Reply #454 on: June 22, 2022, 09:35:36 AM »
Ooooooooooooh, I see what this is all about. Technocrats, yes Europe has a predilection for producing those. A real nasty infestation too. Got the makings of a fine James Bond movie. "So Mr. Bond, I see you refuse to turn vegan and give up your Vaalter PPK...".

I can see why that would be scary. A minority of openly powerful people, highly educated, technical, scheming, rich, and democratically unaccountable threatening your covertly powerful, moderately educated, untechnical, scheming, rich and democratically unaccountable minority whilst subtly manipulating public opinion that it really matters which dingleberry president you've been fighting over to keep your fuel prices low and not threaten your illusion of freedom through gun ownership*.

A remarkable parallel from a certain perspective. If only I was intelligent enough to draw the logical inference, it's like something on a high shelf I just can't reach...   :)

* Yeah that's a bit mean to say. I'm just trying to make the point that if only your focus was leading the world as a beacon of democracy, industry, technology and culture as you once promised to be. Instead you've rather let your shape-shifting lizard people corrupt noble concepts into a farcical contrived duality of distraction, convenience, materialism and self-interest, which rides right on the edge of a second civil war, while consigning the rest of the world to the servitude of your empire through unnecessarily-aggressive nationalism and the false limitation of resources. I guess all institutions corrupt with time. Processes, influences, careful control of education, deliberate cultural steering...  It's also pretty clear now why people like Shuffler and Eagler don't seem to have a clue how things actually work - they probably have guns!

Wait a minute, did I just accidentally move this thread slightly back on topic?  :headscratch:

You must consider that a "global government" would only serve its own interest and beurocracy before the citizens it claims to be "serving". That is merely why the 10th amendment was created in our constitution. It's why large government organizations always fail the people. Their spending never slows, and they can grow the size until eventually everyone is a government "official". Therefore a product of the state rather than a citizen of the state. This always leads to degradation becsuse the state controls your worth rarher than a market system that allows you to become prosperous. They have no personal connection to their representation or other countries. Its why Brexit happened. A ruling body like the Bilderberg, WEF or WHO would "do what they have to do" to maintain their idea of "governance" which could include using "global military" to direct their people. Could you see why that might be scary? Especially for countries who don't have the right to bear arms? All of you "Intellectual" folk seem to think your perceptions of "Intellectual" governments will  somehow make everyone happy because they are just so damned much smarter than everyone else. This has never worked in history. There is a reason why the US founders did not have this ideal. They realized that individual wealth was also a weapon against a corrupt government. Think of Batman if you will. The "intellectual" government always treats it's people as second class to them. They need their citizens to remain poor inorder to maintain their control. Look at Cuba. Does it matter that their education system is soo good when their people have no opportunity to use their intellegnece to better their own lives? Nope. They are bettering the Beurocrats lives "for the good of the people". It never works like you perceive. In America even an idiot can get rich by playing his cards right. Wealth and prosperity are Keys to actual human beings success. Those who believe they are smarter than everyone, and therefore should control everyone's lives because they are smarter and can "use the money better" always seem to have people who aren't happy and live in tiny spaces their whole lives with their parents. That's the product of Intellectual government officials who think they are better than you.

Ever since these types of people have taken over America after WW2, we have virtually gone down hill. Thanks to Reagan the tide changed and bit and we had 2 decades of real prosperity where individuals all over America made it rich. Of course they tried to assassinate him. The leaches who really control America don't want that, which is why they formed a global government like the UN to keep people oppressed, though thinking they have "freedom". If your country gets too rich, well that money should go over here now. Its been much harder to deploy on strong back boned Americans. Once the Bushes did their hit  job, the Clinton's did theirs, and Obama did his. All Intellectuals who used the population for the wars and sending our money to the UN and Nato and every where else around the world. We got angry. Then Trump gets in there and wants to stop it and you get 90 articles a day about how evil he is. Even though he had 3 peace treaties and no wars in lybia and stopped war in Syria. For some reason you "Intellectuals" cannot put 2 and 2 together and understand what he is really exposing. It certainly makes me wonder their true intentions.

I lived in Portland ran by "Intellectuals" it was a trash dump with the highest taxes. Do you think I want that for the rest of the country? I ask myself, how could anyone continue to fall for the democrat trap when it's cleary obvious they don't know how to run even a city. If you think taking away wealth from people is the answer. You are in for a rude awakening when you see trash mounds, tent cities, and RVs parking outside of your neighborhood not giving a damn while I pay some of the highest property taxes in America.  The same thing will happen if you "Intellectuals" rule the world. After all, they almost are and yet we have the record for gas prices, record for inflation, diseases from their biolabs released on the population, less prosperity for the middle and lower class, more wars, and more chaos. Why do you think that is when so many "Intellectuals" are running these countries? Perhaps they don't have the good intentions you so naively believe.
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Re: Something you won't find in your mainstream media
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Re: Something you won't find in your mainstream media
« Reply #456 on: June 22, 2022, 11:41:27 AM »
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Re: Something you won't find in your mainstream media
« Reply #458 on: June 22, 2022, 02:51:18 PM »
Sure.... we don't have a clue...can't reach the high shelf ...lol

Hell's bells Eagler, I metaphorically lead you to the water, showed you it was potable and even reminded you you were thirsty...  :rofl


You must consider that a "global government" would only serve its own interest and beurocracy before the citizens it claims to be "serving".

The "intellectual" government always treats it's people as second class to them.

I think the majority of people in power who have saught power would do that if they were allowed. Yes I agree that's a biggie, and you cannot rely on character to maintain restraint because of the aforementioned nature of institutions and power to corrupt with time. I don't believe technocracy is superior to democracy, quite the opposite. As is readily observable even short-term elections don't do such a fantastic job of keeping the despotic aspects of human personality in check.

I think previously the ratio of serving others/self was better but as the intensity of everything gets turned up along with the population increase that slider has moved in the wrong direction quite a bit. I think - if pressed - an increase in democracy is needed but since democracy needs a base of power and wealth to support it... paradox.


Especially for countries who don't have the right to bear arms?

Always found it a bit puzzling how that misconception persists even in the light of the last 20-years or so where you've had live feeds of small-arms fire being answered by Apache gunships, A-10s etc. and a highly-organized, professional military. What about Miyanmar? Does your media not cover such things? Too busy with your civil cold-war perhaps.


All of you "Intellectual" folk seem to think your perceptions of "Intellectual" governments will  somehow make everyone happy because they are just so damned much smarter than everyone else. This has never worked in history.

No I'm not an intellectual by definition because I stop short at proposing - with any seriousness - solutions for the present problems of society beyond trying to encourage people to think on an individual basis. It's not a question of intelligence any more that solid, intermediate ACM is an issue of talent. It's method, encompassing knowing where to put energy. I recognise the futility of that and besides there's no need. There are things on the horizon which will render all of this mute. <- knowing I'm a father might indicate that's not a conspiracy-theory or anything I would choose for. That's not to put you off becoming a Father either, where there's life there's hope.


Thanks to Reagan the tide changed and bit and we had 2 decades of real prosperity where individuals all over America made it rich.

I can't really stand behind the proposition that American prosperity should be the primary focus any longer. You've had quite a long run at it already and I don't see any end-game beyond continuing to acrue wealth and power. To what end? Empire without noblesse oblige seems, well a bit royal. Ironically.


I lived in Portland ran by "Intellectuals" it was a trash dump with the highest taxes. Do you think I want that for the rest of the country? I ask myself, how could anyone continue to fall for the democrat trap when it's cleary obvious they don't know how to run even a city.

Too zoomed in and too much attributed to personal qualities. Again you tend to fall to black/white thinking and assume that the solution lies within the domain of that which are created the problems. Where is the dialog or will to solve problems with a mid-term or selfless approach?

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Re: Something you won't find in your mainstream media
« Reply #459 on: June 22, 2022, 06:29:49 PM »
Always found it a bit puzzling how that misconception persists even in the light of the last 20-years or so where you've had live feeds of small-arms fire being answered by Apache gunships, A-10s etc. and a highly-organized, professional military. What about Miyanmar? Does your media not cover such things? Too busy with your civil cold-war perhaps.

With regard to armed populace resisting better-armed militaries, there are historical examples both of failure and of success.

But I think this is more likely:  If there were another civil war in the US, it would be a diffuse guerilla war.  Not rifles vs. Apaches.

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I can't really stand behind the proposition that American prosperity should be the primary focus any longer.

I don't think it is the primary focus for most Americans.  Most people will sacrifice some money in exchange for happiness, health, family, etc.

But prosperity is an important thing.  Maybe an equal among several most-important things.

Which is good.  Because:

The pursuit of prosperity -- in a free market -- helps lift populations out of poverty, drive down prices, and motivate innovation and technological progress.

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« Reply #460 on: June 22, 2022, 07:26:56 PM »
What does the denial of prosperity (in any economic model) serve? Please bear in mind that regulations were put in place to prevent lassez faire (the policy of just letting the market run its course at the expense of the consumer which does not actually 'lift populations out of poverty' as you claim). It generally pushes a 'what the market will bear' mentality over a 'what the customers can afford' one.

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« Reply #461 on: June 22, 2022, 08:10:03 PM »
Please bear in mind that regulations were put in place to prevent lassez faire (the policy of just letting the market run its course at the expense of the consumer which does not actually 'lift populations out of poverty' as you claim). It generally pushes a 'what the market will bear' mentality over a 'what the customers can afford' one.

Paul Krugman, social democrat, Nobel Prize winning economist, NYT columnist, academic luminary, disagrees with you.

Do you think that he is wrong?

"Workers in those shirt and sneaker factories are, inevitably paid very little and expected to endure terrible working conditions. I say “inevitably” because their employers are not in business for their (or their workers’) health; they will of course try to pay as little as possible, and that minimum is determined by the other opportunities available to workers. And in many cases these are still extremely poor countries."

"Yet in those countries where the new export industries took root, there has been unmistakable improvement in the lives of ordinary people. Partly this is because a growing industry must offer its workers a somewhat higher wage than they could get elsewhere just in order to get them to move. More important, however, the growth of manufacturing, and of the penumbra of other jobs that the new export sector created, had a ripple effect throughout the economy. The pressure on the land became less intense, so rural wages rose; the pool of unemployed urban dwellers always anxious for work shrank, so factories started to compete with one another for workers, and urban wages also began to rise. In countries where the process has gone on long enough—say, in South Korea or Taiwan—wages have reached advanced-country levels. (In 1975 the average hourly wage in South Korea was only 5 percent of that in the United States; by 2006 it had risen to 62 percent.)

"The benefits of export-led economic growth to the mass of people in the newly industrializing economies were not a matter of conjecture. A place like Indonesia is still so poor that progress can be measured in terms of how much the average person gets to eat; between 1968 and 1990 per capita intake rose from 2,000 to 2,700 calories a day, and life expectancy rose from forty-six years to sixty-three. Similar improvements could be seen throughout the Pacific Rim, and even in places like Bangladesh. These improvements did not take place because well-meaning people in the West did anything to help—foreign aid, never large, shrank in the 1990s to virtually nothing. Nor was it the result of the benign policies of national governments, which, as we were soon to be forcefully reminded, were as callous and corrupt as ever. It was the indirect and unintended result of the actions of soulless multinational corporations and rapacious local entrepreneurs, whose only concern was to take advantage of the profit opportunities offered by cheap labor. It was not an edifying spectacle; but no matter how base the motives of those involved, the result was to move hundreds of millions of people from abject poverty to something that was in some cases still awful but nonetheless significantly better.

"And once again, capitalism could with considerable justification claim the credit. . . ."

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« Reply #462 on: June 22, 2022, 08:48:33 PM »
Paul Krugman, social democrat, Nobel Prize winning economist, NYT columnist, academic luminary, disagrees with you.

Do you think that he is wrong?

In your viewpoint and attempted usage, yes.

Prosperity, in and of itself, takes on various contexts. Here, in the wealthiest nation on Earth, prosperity to a billionaire appears to be quite different from prosperity for the working class. The vast majority of working class individuals in the United States would be content with what was made available to the 1950s generation when wages from a 40 hour work week for one individual could provide food, shelter, clothing, transportation and medical care for a family of four with enough left over for family vacation, savings and even college education for the kids. If we just look at one element of that - housing - we now see an out of control advantage being taken where the term 'affordable housing' is now a fairy tale.

It's healthy for the state of the nation to see the working class content and able to live with fewer debts and worries than to see a money gap so large as to take complete advantage of them in order for a relatively few individuals to build up treasures that they have no ability to spend off even if they resort to building rocket ships for nothing more than joy rides.
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« Reply #463 on: June 22, 2022, 10:35:58 PM »
Might as well argue with a tape recorder.

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« Reply #464 on: June 22, 2022, 11:20:14 PM »
In your viewpoint and attempted usage

It's his viewpoint and usage.  In a lengthy quote from him.

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The vast majority of working class individuals in the United States would be content with what was made available to the 1950s generation when . . .

I agree with you.  I might pick 1970's instead of 1950 because I have the data for that.  But I agree with the sentiment.

Here is median real personal income over time:


Inflation-adjusted income in 2020 is 40% higher than 1975.  So it seems like people should be financially better off than in 1975.

But --

Official CPI is far lower than actual inflation -- what we experience in buying stuff.  Because the government is incentivized to report small CPI.  They use hedonic adjustments and other manipulations.

If we use the 1980's basket of goods, here is inflation:


If we adjust wages by actual inflation, people today are worse off financially.

Why are people worse off?  I think it's because of stuff like this:







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a money gap so large

The Fed/gov created $20 trillion out of thin air and gave it to cronies.  Those cronies get the free money.  But then they buy stocks, bonds, and real estate with it.  It drives up their wealth even more.

Meanwhile us plebeians, most not knowing how markets or economics works, are placated with $1000 and a 10% pay raise.  (Unless our business was shut down as being "non essential.")  But goods cost 50% more, so it is really a step backward.  Wealth disparity widens.

Then, because at some point printing more money won't make them more money in real terms, the Fed/gov puts the lever into reverse.  The cronies get out of the markets and wait for the markets to crash.

And the cycle can start again.

The solution is free markets.  Less manipulation.  Stop printing money and giving it to cronies.  Stop governmental explosion of debt.