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Just curious. How many of you dems here voted for Biden?

Anyone willing to admit it?

[guncrasher]

Just curious. How many of you dems here voted for Biden?

Anyone willing to admit it?

vote is secret.


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[Arlo]

Just curious. How many of you dems here voted for Biden?

Anyone willing to admit it?

Sure.

[CptTrips]

Just curious. How many of you dems here voted for Biden?

Anyone willing to admit it?

First, I'm not a Dem.

Second, I'd even vote for YOU if that would keep that Orange Pig-God out of the oval office.

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Yeah. We can't have a guy that's pro-America and who wants to make us energy independent, slow illegal immigrants from pouring in and for holding our "allies" feet to the fire to make them carry their weight.


Instead lets vote for a senile fool that has stated his intent and has acted to lower American oil production, open the borders up wide, and has put actual unqualified freaks into appointed positions. A guy who pushes skin color over qualifications. Yeah. Good job guys.

This county is going right down the toejamter under the demented fool.

[guncrasher]

Yeah. We can't have a guy that's pro-America and who wants to make us energy independent, slow illegal immigrants from pouring in and for holding our "allies" feet to the fire to make them carry their weight.


Instead lets vote for a senile fool that has stated his intent and has acted to lower American oil production, open the borders up wide, and has put actual unqualified freaks into appointed positions. A guy who pushes skin color over qualifications. Yeah. Good job guys.

This county is going right down the toejamter under the demented fool.

wasn't trump president like 15 months ago?


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[CptTrips]

Yeah. We can't have a guy that's pro-America and who wants to make us energy independent, slow illegal immigrants from pouring in and for holding our "allies" feet to the fire to make them carry their weight.

First, shale had already made us net energy exporters before Trump was elected.

Second, I'm all for secure borders, but only an idiotic Yankee would think you are going to build a concrete wall across the entire southern border.  And only low education reality tv fans would believe that tripe.  Some urban areas need solid walling, other areas are best handled with fencing, but the vast majority of it is best handled with sensors and drone technology.  It would take trillions of dollars to build a 3000 mile vanity wall.  If you have ever hiked along the mountains in Big Bend National Park, you'd no how patently ridiculous the idea is.  If you really want to stop illegal immigration you target the business owners that hire illegals with a wink and a nod because they like cheap labor.  Tyson foods, etc.  But that might anger donors so big business is off limits.  Cut off the job opportunities and the border region is a non-issue.  But the better approach over all is controlled and managed guest worker program.  That would be better for a whole variety of reasons I'll leave to the reader to go research.

Regardless, we can discuss all those issues, but only if that steaming orange turd is not involved in the conversation.  Put him in the mix and I will do anything in my power and vote for anyone that has a possibility of defeating him and his boot-lickers.  Including voting for Biden whom I have never liked.  But my dislike for Biden pales in comparison for the primal hate I have for the Orange Pig-God.

Frankly after having been a Republican voter my whole life until 2016, I no longer think the Republican party is salvageable.  The Trump rot has gone too far.  The gangrene has spread too deep.  I think the intelligent, educated Republicans should split and form a New American Conservative Party, and all the ignorant, undereducated, authoritarian loving Trump filth can slither off to for a Trumpian American First Party.

Hint:  Rightwing extremism isn't the same thing as Conservatism.  The term has hijacked by the Trump authoritarians.

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First, shale had already made us net energy exporters before Trump was elected.

Second, I'm all for secure borders, but only an idiotic Yankee would think you are going to build a concrete wall across the entire southern border.  And only low education reality tv fans would believe that tripe.  Some urban areas need solid walling, other areas are best handled with fencing, but the vast majority of it is best handled with sensors and drone technology.  It would take trillions of dollars to build a 3000 mile vanity wall.  If you have ever hiked along the mountains in Big Bend National Park, you'd no how patently ridiculous the idea is.  If you really want to stop illegal immigration you target the business owners that hire illegals with a wink and a nod because they like cheap labor.  Tyson foods, etc.  But that might anger donors so big business is off limits.  Cut off the job opportunities and the border region is a non-issue.  But the better approach over all is controlled and managed guest worker program.  That would be better for a whole variety of reasons I'll leave to the reader to go research.

Regardless, we can discuss all those issues, but only if that steaming orange turd is not involved in the conversation.  Put him in the mix and I will do anything in my power and vote for anyone that has a possibility of defeating him and his boot-lickers.  Including voting for Biden whom I have never liked.  But my dislike for Biden pales in comparison for the primal hate I have for the Orange Pig-God.

Frankly after having been a Republican voter my whole life until 2016, I no longer think the Republican party is salvageable.  The Trump rot has gone too far.  The gangrene has spread too deep.  I think the intelligent, educated Republicans should split and form a New American Conservative Party, and all the ignorant, undereducated, authoritarian loving Trump filth can slither off to for a Trumpian American First Party.

Hint:  Rightwing extremism isn't the same thing as Conservatism.  The term has hijacked by the Trump authoritarians.

Strawman arguments. Typical.

I didn't say we were not energy independent and I said nothing about a border wall.

The point I made is that Trump was trying to secure the border. He wanted it secured and he enacted policies that were effective in slowing the crossings. Biden got in and reversed the policies and is knowingly allowing the border to leak like a sieve.

On energy independence, Trump wanted to produce more and he enacted policies to that end. Biden (like Obama) is openly hostile to "big oil" and has stated his intent to destroy the ability to produce that kind of energy.

So you voted for a team that is open borders and anti-oil and gas. That's an obvious fact. Just because Orange man bad.

Biden is depleting our strategic  reserves and even sending some of it to Asia and Europe.

What I said is true. Trump wanted to  address the border and to produce more oil and gas. Biden and the Democrats want just the opposite.

[CptTrips]

Strawman arguments. Typical.

Again you have a reading comprehension problem.

I voted for Biden simply because he was the best weapon I had at the moment to hurt Trump with.  It implies zero agreement with any of his policies.  My use for him ended exactly on Jan 7.  As soon as he had served the purpose of removing Trump from office, I'm done with him.  Put him and his son in prison for all I care.  He was a tool I used for a purpose.  Now I'm done with him.

If Trump was running as a dem and you put up a rational Republican against him, I'd be even happier voting for the real Republican. But I work with the options I have available.

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Again, you have strawman argument tendencies. Introducing irrelevant points.


I didn't ask you why you voted for Biden.

Everything I said is true, including that you voted for the team that wants open borders and to destroy "big oil". 

So I'll say it again.

Trump wanted to close the borders and to produce more oil and gas. Trump was pro-Americans and pro-America.

Biden acted to reverse the Trump border policies and open the floodgates at the border. Biden wants to destroy oil and gas. Biden doesn't mind that oil prices are going up and has said he views this as a "wonderful opportunity" to force America intro "green" energy.

So you got what you wanted. No more bad Orange man.

[CptTrips]

So you got what you wanted. No more bad Orange man.

Yes, I got what I wanted.

The next thing I want is for Trump to be humiliated, indicted, and imprisoned.

I'll get that too.

[Arlo]

Everything I said is true, including that you voted for the team that wants open borders and to destroy "big oil". 

So I'll say it again.

Trump wanted to close the borders and to produce more oil and gas. Trump was pro-Americans and pro-America.

Biden acted to reverse the Trump border policies and open the floodgates at the border. Biden wants to destroy oil and gas. Biden doesn't mind that oil prices are going up and has said he views this as a "wonderful opportunity" to force America intro "green" energy.

So you got what you wanted. No more bad Orange man.

Claim ... no proof .... either way. Straw .... man.

[Brooke]

It would take trillions of dollars to build a 3000 mile vanity wall.

$49 billion.  http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Study-Price-for-border-fence-up-to-49-billion-2625039.php

  If you really want to stop illegal immigration you target the business owners that hire illegals with a wink and a nod because they like cheap labor.

Yep.

the primal hate I have for the Orange Pig-God.

Why do you have that hate?

and all the ignorant, undereducated, authoritarian loving

I'm well read, highly educated, and authoritarian hating.

[CptTrips]

$49 billion.  http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Study-Price-for-border-fence-up-to-49-billion-2625039.php

Yeah because gov projects never go over budget.   


And they are just estimating the wall material itself.  There would have to be whole towns and highways that would need to be created from scratch to support that level of construction out in the middle of nowhere.

Have you spent a lot of time along the southern border?

[guncrasher]

$49 billion.  http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Study-Price-for-border-fence-up-to-49-billion-2625039.php

Yep.

Why do you have that hate?

I'm well read, highly educated, and authoritarian hating.

Brooke read your own links. that's only for 700 miles. doesn't include labor or land acquisition, and more important what's the point since it doesn't cover the entire border.

remember the wall trump built? a 100 dollar sawsawl could cut it.


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