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Re: National power grid down one month......Lord of the Flies?
« Reply #60 on: July 24, 2022, 01:53:29 AM »
That's nice. I wouldn't mind having one and a big giant propane tank.

I live in a very mild climate but I've been looking at property in Michigan.

why you want a giant propane tank, you have the 1972 extra strength pressure cooker,  you terrorist  :rofl

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Re: National power grid down one month......Lord of the Flies?
« Reply #61 on: July 24, 2022, 05:56:40 AM »
That's nice. I wouldn't mind having one and a big giant propane tank.

I live in a very mild climate but I've been looking at property in Michigan.

I bought a new 500 gallon propane tank. That way I can use whatever supplier I choose. My home is electric so I did not have propane.
You can run it on LP but it will only produce 22kw max on that.

I had them run a line to my back patio for my Webber 4 burner and Blackstone 4 burner.
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Re: National power grid down one month......Lord of the Flies?
« Reply #62 on: July 24, 2022, 06:59:04 AM »
I bought a new 500 gallon propane tank. That way I can use whatever supplier I choose. My home is electric so I did not have propane.
You can run it on LP but it will only produce 22kw max on that.

I had them run a line to my back patio for my Webber 4 burner and Blackstone 4 burner.

Sounds like a nice setup Shuffler

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Re: National power grid down one month......Lord of the Flies?
« Reply #63 on: July 24, 2022, 10:44:47 AM »
A pallet of cheap, used solar panels, two large inverters with required control units and batteries for a “power wall”  stored in a metal boxes is a good start.   Said metal box needs attention to make it into a faraday cage.
That would survive a large EMP event.    Just don’t take them out for a few days because  weaponized EMP pulses mean a scenario where there would likely be more.   
It would suck to set up your emergency generation/storage just to have a subsequent EMP pulse damage your ability to generate power.

A deep well pump usually requires up to 6kw to start and run and I consider having water to be the most important for survival.    A working well pump is usually not easily identified by outsiders because most deep well pumps are silent. 

During a long blackout event (one month or more), don’t flaunt that you have power because the “have nots” will surely be attracted like a moth to flame.   
It’s hard to conceal solar cell arrays and generate power with them.   

It’s best to present a “we’ve got nothing” view to society until law and order are once again established.   

If power goes down in a nuclear attack scenario, there really would be no safe haven much like in the movie “on the beach”.   Not sure how Fred Astaire ended up in the cast of a disaster movie but he was also in “towering inferno”. 


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Re: National power grid down one month......Lord of the Flies?
« Reply #64 on: July 24, 2022, 11:59:00 AM »
I bought a new 500 gallon propane tank. That way I can use whatever supplier I choose. My home is electric so I did not have propane.
You can run it on LP but it will only produce 22kw max on that.

I had them run a line to my back patio for my Webber 4 burner and Blackstone 4 burner.

I would love to do that very same thing. That sounds like a great setup.

My nephew bought his fist house. He lives in Arizona. He has a Tesla whole-house battery setup. I want to ask him if he has a generator and solar too. He's just a kid still but he's a wizard engineer - so he can afford these things.

I think a lithium battery backup system would be really nice to have too. Some day I hope to have a small place with a little bit of land in an area that has ample water and the possibly of limited hunting and fishing. And gardening. Like I said, I'm looking at upper Michigan. I've only ever lived in Phoenix and southern California though - so that cold weather is something I'm thinking through at the moment. lol.

What part of the country are you in? Is it Texas?
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Re: National power grid down one month......Lord of the Flies?
« Reply #65 on: July 24, 2022, 12:29:37 PM »
With electrical storage comes risk of fire.   
Cheapest power wall DIY would be with LiPo batteries like hobby town rc batteries.   
The problem is these batteries often burn electric bikes after hitting a large bump. 
Imagine that happening within your house. 

A power wall constructed with 18650 batteries is much safer.    That’s what many Tesla cars use in their battery pack.   
LifePo4 are a bit safer than most other lithium batteries.
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Re: National power grid down one month......Lord of the Flies?
« Reply #66 on: July 24, 2022, 12:38:07 PM »
Good point. I would be concerned about fire.

Maybe make a special underground room just for the batteries?
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Re: National power grid down one month......Lord of the Flies?
« Reply #67 on: July 25, 2022, 08:38:23 AM »
I am in East Texas.
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Re: National power grid down one month......Lord of the Flies?
« Reply #68 on: July 26, 2022, 01:08:18 PM »
are you aware that the SOR is not a literal thing? It's just funds for more fuel... lol

It is the largest known strategic stockpile of oil in the world. There are underground storage tanks in Louisiana and Texas. 714 million barrels can be stored there.
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Re: National power grid down one month......Lord of the Flies?
« Reply #69 on: July 26, 2022, 09:57:48 PM »
It is the largest known strategic stockpile of oil in the world. There are underground storage tanks in Louisiana and Texas. 714 million barrels can be stored there.

You are a where that these underground tanks are old salt mines.

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Re: National power grid down one month......Lord of the Flies?
« Reply #70 on: July 26, 2022, 10:29:00 PM »
You are a where that these underground tanks are old salt mines.

not entirely accurate only one was a Morton salt mine and is no longer used.  but they're all salt mines per say but salt was not mine.

by the way the life expectancy is only a few years from now.


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Re: National power grid down one month......Lord of the Flies?
« Reply #71 on: July 26, 2022, 11:26:09 PM »
not entirely accurate only one was a Morton salt mine and is no longer used.  but they're all salt mines per say but salt was not mine.

by the way the life expectancy is only a few years from now.


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The SPR management office is located in Elmwood, Louisiana, a suburb of New Orleans.

The reserve is stored at four sites on the Gulf of Mexico, each located near a major center of petrochemical refining and processing. Each site contains a number of artificial caverns created in salt domes below the surface.

Individual caverns within a site can be up to 1,000 m (3,300 ft) below the surface. Average dimensions are 60 m (200 ft) wide and 600 m (2,000 ft) deep; capacity ranges from 6 to 37 million barrels (950,000 to 5,880,000 m3). Almost $4 billion was spent on the facilities. The decision to store in caverns was made to reduce costs. The Department of Energy claims that it is approximately ten times more cost effective to store oil below the surface, with the added advantages of no leaks and a constant natural churn of the oil due to a temperature gradient in the caverns. The caverns were created by drilling down and then dissolving the salt with water.

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Re: National power grid down one month......Lord of the Flies?
« Reply #72 on: July 26, 2022, 11:37:22 PM »
You are a where that these underground tanks are old salt mines.

I was not aware of that. Sounds like a good place to store the oil then.
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Re: National power grid down one month......Lord of the Flies?
« Reply #73 on: July 27, 2022, 01:27:06 AM »
The biggest lithium reserves are in Afghanistan

The Yanks left Afghanistan

The Chinese your supposed enemies walked straight in.

Biden and you lot own shares in said Chinese lithium company.

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Re: National power grid down one month......Lord of the Flies?
« Reply #74 on: July 27, 2022, 03:20:24 AM »
The biggest lithium reserves are in Afghanistan

The Yanks left Afghanistan

The Chinese your supposed enemies walked straight in.

Biden and you lot own shares in said Chinese lithium company.

 :rofl

the lithium I take every day does not come from there


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