CAF B-17 Midair - Totally Destroyed - Dallas *GRAPHIC*

[nopoop]

Widewing !! Long time. Strap up and come back.

[Shuffler]

Another video....

[nopoop]

"Possible" drone cause of P63 flight path.

https://youtu.be/FeP3P0LFIiM

[Vraciu]

Yup.  Drone strike on prop?  Weirdly enough it looks like the top black object hits the windscreen. Now we are back to mechanical or pilot incapacitation--or both.

https://eurasiantimes.com/mid-air-horror-did-us-b-17-bomber-p-63-kingcobra-collide/?amp



https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=36&v=FeP3P0LFIiM&feature=emb_title

[Maverick]

The video is so blurry that I can't tell if the object was a drone or a bird. Either way it does look like some kind of strike to the P63.

[Puma44]

Hard tell if it was an actual impact or a very close miss.  Seems there would be significant debris at the moment of the strike. I’ve seen many birds come scary close without hitting.  And some hit the windshield, without any damage other than a smear.  No doubt the NTSB is all over this video and the possibility.

[Vraciu]

Hard tell if it was an actual impact or a very close miss.  Seems there would be significant debris at the moment of the strike. I’ve seen many birds come scary close without hitting.  And some hit the windshield, without any damage other than a smear.  No doubt the NTSB is all over this video and the possibility.

I've hit dozens of birds in my career.  Modern windscreens, as you know,  generally shrug them off with a thump--sometimes a startling one.  In Nigeria I had one in the flare in a Legacy 600 that hit so loud my FO jumped three feet.  If he had been the PF I can only imagine the yoke yank that could have produced.

The P-63 windscreen composition is a mystery to me, and I'm betting it is not OEM, but there is a marked trajectory change in conjunction with whatever that was regardless. Coincidence?  Video grain? Could it have done damage to the propeller? Perhaps. But it just goes to show that passing judgement based on initial reporting is risky business.

I also noted a sound change prior to collision/impact in the original video that made me wonder if an engine quit.   I chalked it off to distance and doppler effect.   I'm keeping an eye on that.

[Vraciu]

I was at KRBD today.  It was eerie seeing the place knowing what had occurred.   There is a makeshift memorial along the perimeter fence that includes street art and crosses bearing the names of the fallen.   Very sad.

[Volron]

If it was a drone, one would have to wonder what it was made of.  While most are made of some kind of composite, there are drones out there made of a metal alloy of some kind.  A drone made of a metal alloy, it is likely to have done all kinds of damage.  I mean, I've seen some pictures of what a large goose can do, now imagine if that goose is made of a metal alloy?

[Puma44]

Birds strikes can be a small, insignificant splatter requiring some simple cleanup, or a major event with significant consequences.  If, this was a bird or drone strike, it appears insignificant in this case, considering the high overtake speed and vector of the P-63.

[CAP1]

just now saw  this on youtube......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xClm33S3nNs&ab_channel=WardCarroll

[Vraciu]

Birds strikes can be a small, insignificant splatter requiring some simple cleanup, or a major event with significant consequences.  If, this was a bird or drone strike, it appears insignificant in this case, considering the high overtake speed and vector of the P-63.

The vector changes significantly nose down after the object strikes the Kingcobra.    This could be a fluke artifact in the film but it may be the cause.   Absent the nosedown pitch change I suspect the airplanes would have missed each other.

[100Coogn]

Who cares what hit the prop.  He should've still had enough flight-control to avoid a B-17.

Coogan

[Vraciu]

Who cares what hit the prop.  He should've still had enough flight-control to avoid a B-17.

Coogan

Once again you demonstrate your colossal ignorance simply to disagree with me.  Well done.   

[TyFoo]

In the Ward Carroll Video at :10s shows the P63 in a bank well past 45degrees and close to 60 degrees, which can easily explain his nose down attitude at 175-200kts.