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Re: Alec Baldwin to be charged for his murderous on-set rampage
« Reply #45 on: January 22, 2023, 04:51:16 AM »
Easy way to get rid of someone that has annoyed you. Make an unfortunate 'accident' happen. A tactic as old as history itself. Baldwin is either an unwitting pawn, or blackmailed into doing the job. There is no way that a professional movie production team does not have firearms specialists whose job it is to stop exactly this kind of mistake.
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Re: Alec Baldwin to be charged for his murderous on-set rampage
« Reply #46 on: January 22, 2023, 05:37:53 AM »
Stupid people will continue to do stupid things. Alec fits the bill.
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Re: Alec Baldwin to be charged for his murderous on-set rampage
« Reply #48 on: January 22, 2023, 08:49:11 AM »
Doubt it. Brandon Lee died in similar circumstances in 1993.

Well that gun did have blank.

Not sure what Hollywood could have done differently in that case.

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Re: Alec Baldwin to be charged for his murderous on-set rampage
« Reply #49 on: January 22, 2023, 09:06:54 AM »
My guess is this will show us all again that we have numerous justice systems in this country as prosecution and punishment vary on numerous factors having nothing to do with the crimes ..

If it were just a crew member that pulled the trigger it would all go much differently imo

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Re: Alec Baldwin to be charged for his murderous on-set rampage
« Reply #50 on: January 22, 2023, 09:09:30 AM »
Well that gun did have blank.

Not sure what Hollywood could have done differently in that case.



Lee died because of previous squib load. Someone left a primer in a prop case. The bullet lodged in the barrel and then in a subsequent scene the firing of a blank was enough to expel the projectile. The film armorer was at fault. IMO

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Re: Alec Baldwin to be charged for his murderous on-set rampage
« Reply #51 on: January 22, 2023, 09:12:39 AM »
How is accidentally shooting someone without knowing there were live bullets loaded considered a "murderous rampage." Spin much?
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Re: Alec Baldwin to be charged for his murderous on-set rampage
« Reply #52 on: January 22, 2023, 09:16:15 AM »
Lee died because of previous squib load. Someone left a primer in a prop case. The bullet lodged in the barrel and then in a subsequent scene the firing of a blank was enough to expel the projectile. The film armorer was at fault. IMO


Oh, did not know that. I thought it was just the pressure from the blank gas that did damage to his brain.
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Re: Alec Baldwin to be charged for his murderous on-set rampage
« Reply #53 on: January 22, 2023, 09:28:12 AM »


Oh, did not know that. I thought it was just the pressure from the blank gas that did damage to his brain.

I'm going from memory, but feel free to fact check me.

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Re: Alec Baldwin to be charged for his murderous on-set rampage
« Reply #54 on: January 22, 2023, 12:31:59 PM »


Oh, did not know that. I thought it was just the pressure from the blank gas that did damage to his brain.

He was shot in the abdomen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Lee#:~:text=Lee%20was%20rushed%20to%20the,an%20accident%20due%20to%20negligence.

In the film shoot preceding the fatal scene, the gun that was used as a prop (a real revolver) was loaded with improperly made dummy rounds, improvised from live cartridges that had the powder charges removed by the special effects crew, so in close-ups the revolver would show normal-looking ammunition. However, the crew neglected to remove the primers from the cartridges, and at some point before the fatal event, one of the rounds had been fired. Although there were no powder charges, the energy from the ignited primer was enough to separate the bullet from the casing and push it part-way into the gun barrel, where it got stuck—a dangerous condition known as a squib load.

During the fatal scene, which called for the revolver to be fired at Lee from a distance of 3.6–4.5 meters (12–15 ft), the dummy cartridges were replaced with blank rounds, which contained a powder charge and the primer, but no solid bullet, allowing the gun to be fired with sound and flash effects without the risk of an actual projectile. However, the gun was not properly checked and cleared before the blank was fired, and the dummy bullet previously lodged in the barrel was then propelled forward by the blank's propellant and shot out the muzzle with almost the same force as if the round were live, striking Lee in the abdomen.[101][102]
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Re: Alec Baldwin to be charged for his murderous on-set rampage
« Reply #55 on: January 22, 2023, 01:54:23 PM »
He was shot in the abdomen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Lee#:~:text=Lee%20was%20rushed%20to%20the,an%20accident%20due%20to%20negligence.

In the film shoot preceding the fatal scene, the gun that was used as a prop (a real revolver) was loaded with improperly made dummy rounds, improvised from live cartridges that had the powder charges removed by the special effects crew, so in close-ups the revolver would show normal-looking ammunition. However, the crew neglected to remove the primers from the cartridges, and at some point before the fatal event, one of the rounds had been fired. Although there were no powder charges, the energy from the ignited primer was enough to separate the bullet from the casing and push it part-way into the gun barrel, where it got stuck—a dangerous condition known as a squib load.

During the fatal scene, which called for the revolver to be fired at Lee from a distance of 3.6–4.5 meters (12–15 ft), the dummy cartridges were replaced with blank rounds, which contained a powder charge and the primer, but no solid bullet, allowing the gun to be fired with sound and flash effects without the risk of an actual projectile. However, the gun was not properly checked and cleared before the blank was fired, and the dummy bullet previously lodged in the barrel was then propelled forward by the blank's propellant and shot out the muzzle with almost the same force as if the round were live, striking Lee in the abdomen.[101][102]

I must be thinking of someone else then.  Some one had pointed a prop gun to their temple like a mock suicide.  Even though it had a blank, the blast pressure was enough to damage their brain. 

So, maybe don't use guns capable of chambering real rounds on movie sets. And in either case don't press it up against your temple.  :confused:

Maybe the insurance companies will eventually put their foot down. 

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It must have been this guy I heard about:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon-Erik_Hexum
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Re: Alec Baldwin to be charged for his murderous on-set rampage
« Reply #56 on: January 22, 2023, 03:46:15 PM »
Use a square shell for the blank.
Shouldn't fit in a round hole. 
It's not rocket science.  :bhead

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Re: Alec Baldwin to be charged for his murderous on-set rampage
« Reply #57 on: January 23, 2023, 02:18:20 AM »
Unless you’re manually cycling the rifle , using the charging handle, for each round, I believe you’re mistaken. You need a blank adapter to contain the gas pressure in the barrel long enough to build the necessary pressure to operate the gas blowback system, thus cycling the bolt, to discharge the spent case and to feed a fresh blank round into the chamber. Because blank ammo does not have a bullet, the gases would escape the barrel too quickly to operate the rifle otherwise.

Nope clearly remember it as there were BFAs on the LMGs. The ammo we used had a black plastic casing, except for the primer which was metal. I do vaguely remember being told we might have manually cycle - but never having to do it. I also remember running out of ammo real quick and having to jump out behind some guys going "BANG BANG BANG".

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Re: Alec Baldwin to be charged for his murderous on-set rampage
« Reply #58 on: January 23, 2023, 04:55:11 AM »
Use a square shell for the blank.
Shouldn't fit in a round hole. 
It's not rocket science.  :bhead

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They make incredible living(s) off of glorifying violence and then act shocked at real violence. When it happens among their ranks, they cover it up. Wonderful folks aren’t they?  :aok
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Re: Alec Baldwin to be charged for his murderous on-set rampage
« Reply #59 on: January 23, 2023, 07:06:52 AM »
Sorta like this with street racing..

https://youtu.be/PC5blZ9n810

https://youtu.be/CQU7CftaEWY

Another stupid small brain little ego based activity for the insecure

And hollywood continues to endorse it..

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