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Offline Dadtallica

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The P47 Was HUGE! Picture Proof Within!
« on: July 18, 2023, 11:29:35 AM »
I actually thought the P51 and 190 were bigger.
 
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Re: The P47 Was HUGE! Picture Proof Within!
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2023, 12:17:19 PM »
Now that's really interesting! No wonder it's not that easy to shoot down, so much empty fuselage!
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Re: The P47 Was HUGE! Picture Proof Within!
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2023, 12:47:32 PM »
It's not actually empty, it's full of ducting for the turbo charger, (which is also very large), and intercooler which sits in the aft section of the fuse. The backwards facing scoop on the bottom of the fuse is the exhaust for the turbo. The wastegate exhausts right behind the oil cooler flaps on the lower forward section of the fuse. The doors in the middle of the fuse are for the intercooler.

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Re: The P47 Was HUGE! Picture Proof Within!
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2023, 01:39:10 PM »
It's not actually empty, it's full of ducting for the turbo charger, (which is also very large), and intercooler which sits in the aft section of the fuse. The backwards facing scoop on the bottom of the fuse is the exhaust for the turbo. The wastegate exhausts right behind the oil cooler flaps on the lower forward section of the fuse. The doors in the middle of the fuse are for the intercooler.

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Also in the rear? For some reason the tails are more or less (the Zero) aligned which pronounces the huge engine compartment. But what's behind the pilot?
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Re: The P47 Was HUGE! Picture Proof Within!
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2023, 02:55:13 PM »
See here at: https://jasmodel.shop/products/zs110073-wwii-military-aviation-art-print-republic-p-47d-thunderbolt-cutaway-drawing



BTW the Yak-3 was 3 ft shorter than the Me109.  I think the Yak-3 might've been the smallest fighter?
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Re: The P47 Was HUGE! Picture Proof Within!
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2023, 03:41:46 PM »
I think the Yak-3 might've been the smallest fighter?

The I-15 is only 20 ft long. Even shorter than the I-16 by an inch.
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Re: The P47 Was HUGE! Picture Proof Within!
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2023, 03:49:30 PM »
Here are some good pics of the turbo installation, and ducting on a P-47. https://lynceans.org/all-posts/the-complexity-of-a-ww-ii-p-47-thunderbolts-powerplant/

The jug also had a engine driven single stage supercharger so it was in fact turbo-super charged. The pilot had no control over the supercharger but was entirely responsible for the boost level of the turbo.

Just an fyi the P-47 was the largest, and most expensive single engine allied fighter of WW2.

Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles has a very good series of videos on the jug. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzQuq2FHdeE

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Re: The P47 Was HUGE! Picture Proof Within!
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2023, 04:38:48 PM »
Here are some good pics of the turbo installation, and ducting on a P-47. https://lynceans.org/all-posts/the-complexity-of-a-ww-ii-p-47-thunderbolts-powerplant/

The jug also had a engine driven single stage supercharger so it was in fact turbo-super charged. The pilot had no control over the supercharger but was entirely responsible for the boost level of the turbo.

Just an fyi the P-47 was the largest, and most expensive single engine allied fighter of WW2.

Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles has a very good series of videos on the jug. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzQuq2FHdeE

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Love that cutaway with out the body, can see there is not much space left after you put the cockpit in.
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Re: The P47 Was HUGE! Picture Proof Within!
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2023, 04:40:06 PM »
See here at: https://jasmodel.shop/products/zs110073-wwii-military-aviation-art-print-republic-p-47d-thunderbolt-cutaway-drawing

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BTW the Yak-3 was 3 ft shorter than the Me109.  I think the Yak-3 might've been the smallest fighter?

So how do we know what propellers our 47’s have?
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Re: The P47 Was HUGE! Picture Proof Within!
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2023, 05:17:14 PM »
So how do we know what propellers our 47’s have?

I could be wrong but I think the D-11 razorbacks have "toothpick" propellers while the D-25 and up have the paddle prop

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Re: The P47 Was HUGE! Picture Proof Within!
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2023, 11:48:49 PM »
Some of the living quarters are downstairs too.
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Re: The P47 Was HUGE! Picture Proof Within!
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2023, 01:33:32 AM »
See here at: https://jasmodel.shop/products/zs110073-wwii-military-aviation-art-print-republic-p-47d-thunderbolt-cutaway-drawing
Thanks oboe! They really have quite a lot of big pipes there. There's a lot I don't know about aeroplanes and the little I know is based on some live examples which obviously doesn't apply to all planes, not even from the same era. The only plane I've been able to take a close look at was the Brewster and it sure had just empty space behind the pilot. The bullet holes in the rear of it had no impact to manoeuvrability.
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Re: The P47 Was HUGE! Picture Proof Within!
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2023, 06:39:23 AM »
Yes they take 2 or 3 taters compared to 1 most other planes take

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Re: The P47 Was HUGE! Picture Proof Within!
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2023, 07:35:11 AM »
Thanks oboe! They really have quite a lot of big pipes there. There's a lot I don't know about aeroplanes and the little I know is based on some live examples which obviously doesn't apply to all planes, not even from the same era. The only plane I've been able to take a close look at was the Brewster and it sure had just empty space behind the pilot. The bullet holes in the rear of it had no impact to manoeuvrability.

Hey I wonder Biz, if that empty space was originally used for life raft storage, as the earlier versions of the Buffalo were intended for carrier operattions, but the export models didn't need to carry a life raft...

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Re: The P47 Was HUGE! Picture Proof Within!
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2023, 08:43:31 AM »
During our Spring Meeting in 2007 (or maybe 2008?) we were privileged to visit the restoration space of the last existing Brewster BW-372. People who have seen them fly are mostly dead, I suppose...
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