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Re: Vote Your Butts Off!
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2024, 03:47:08 AM »
It was certainly a dangerous precedent that was set by the losing party of 2020.

Waaaaaay longer than since 2020.

See  "Deliver the Vote: A History of Election Fraud, an American Political Tradition – 1742-2004",  by Tracy Campbell.  Or "Disputed presidential elections:  A guide to 200 years of ballot box ugliness" in Washington Post.

Just a few past examples of claims:

2000 Gore and democrats talking about hanging chads.

2016 Clinton and democrats:  "knows he’s an illegitimate president.... many varying tactics they used, from voter suppression and voter purging to hacking to the false stories.... I know he knows this wasn’t on the level."

2020 Trump and republicans talking about ballot stuffing, voting machines, etc.

My feeling is that our election system is so vulnerable, the motivation is so large, and the odds of getting penalized are so low, that there is about 100% probability that vote fraud happens in every election.
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Re: Vote Your Butts Off!
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2024, 04:04:46 AM »
With numbers approaching 150,000,000 ballots, I am amazed they all get counted in November.

Indonesia (205M voters) does it in one night.

Brazil (119M voters) does it in one night.

France (50M voters) does it in one night.

If you can do it in a night in one precinct, you can do it in the same night in N precincts, where each precinct has its workers.

It's not the counting that delays the US.  It's the other parts of the process, such as mail-in ballot process.

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Re: Vote Your Butts Off!
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2024, 04:16:29 AM »
Maybe a simpler solution... Just go with the national popular vote.

Only requires a modification to a bunch of the Constitution to change the US from being a republic.

The Founders did a lot of reasoning regarding republic vs. democracy. It wasn't a haphazard choice. Discussed at length in several Federalist Papers:  10, 14, 51.

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Re: Vote Your Butts Off!
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2024, 06:29:40 AM »
Maybe a simpler solution... Just go with the national popular vote.

Just like what germany did in the 30's?
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Re: Vote Your Butts Off!
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2024, 06:43:26 AM »
If a state, any state, can provide the results within hours after the polls close on Tuesday..see Florida...I can't see nor believe there are legitimate reasons that everyone shouldn't be able to..

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Re: Vote Your Butts Off!
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2024, 06:51:57 AM »
If a state, any state, can provide the results within hours after the polls close on Tuesday..see Florida...I can't see nor believe there are legitimate reasons that everyone shouldn't be able to..

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We voted by paper and it was scanned right in. Easy peasy. No reason this shouldn't be the norm for the rest of the country. Electronic machines are sketchy. They should actually have the ballot counted the second it gets scanned. So by 8pm, all they'd have to do is send their results in to the state election board which tallies all the counties and boom, done by 9pm.

With the technology we have today. It shouldn't be hard.
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Re: Vote Your Butts Off!
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2024, 08:37:48 AM »
Maybe a simpler solution... Just go with the national popular vote.
That would mean California and New York would decide every national election. BTW Texas will soon be on that list as well.
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Re: Vote Your Butts Off!
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2024, 09:13:19 AM »
Before telephones, cars, airplanes, etc... there was less connectivity between the States. People throughout the country wanted their own style of living determined only by themselves, within the framework of the Constitution. Distinctions between States mean much less today. Good or bad it is not going away without a complete rewrite of the Constitution. Illegal violation of that Constitution can negate the bonds that make our States a union.
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Re: Vote Your Butts Off!
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2024, 09:21:44 AM »
Smaller states are protected from the complete domination of larger states by our Constitution. If you would eliminate those protections then you must first allow those who do not agree to peacefully secede. IMO.
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Re: Vote Your Butts Off!
« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2024, 09:40:24 AM »
Maybe early voting
Smaller states are protected from the complete domination of larger states by our Constitution. If you would eliminate those protections then you must first allow those who do not agree to peacefully secede. IMO.
should start once the primaries are confirmed and are open until 8am on voting day ...as then they aren't early anymore...

Manipulated processes including not requiring an ID to cast a vote in many states..though your library, Costco and Sam's to name a few, all require id's...have created doubt about the results and rightfully so imo

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