Re- instate The Draft

[Animl-AW]

I've seen no one here advocate "killing". Readiness is THE deterrence for war. There is no other except total surrender.

To be readiness, you must be willing to kill. My nephew joined for your reason, ended with my killing statement. Got blown up twice, killed many. Do not ever think you’re just there to wear a uniform. He has deep rooted regrets. And says iften, would never join agan. I listen to his 1st hand experience, not words of others.

[Eagler]

Lost both my wife and son (18) 2010. GF died of brain cancer this last spring. Yup single.

Sorry for your losses

Eagler

[AKIron]

Lack of readiness will invite an attack eventually. When that happens you will kill, die, or surrender whether you want to or not.

[nrshida]

Lost both my wife and son (18) 2010. GF died of brain cancer this last spring. Yup single.

Sorry for your losses. Unimaginable

Forcing a good natured young to kill so we feel better about then is not the way.

The dichotomy of the psychie of the Homo-Sapiens: reasonably willing to kill and maim for abstract purposes when young, but only so many hours of battle in them, with two, rare, exceptions.

[Maverick]

Sounds like our education system.

If by that you mean lazy or ineffective parents using the schools to raise their kids, I agree. I saw kids going to kindergarten and even first grade who had not even been toilet trained competently. The schools job, as originally designed, is to educate not instill morals or indoctrinate into a religion. Far too many "parents" figure that popping the kid out, housing and feeding them then dumping the onto the school is the limit of their responsibilities to the kid.

[Banshee7]

If by that you mean lazy or ineffective parents using the schools to raise their kids, I agree. I saw kids going to kindergarten and even first grade who had not even been toilet trained competently. The schools job, as originally designed, is to educate not instill morals or indoctrinate into a religion. Far too many "parents" figure that popping the kid out, housing and feeding them then dumping the onto the school is the limit of their responsibilities to the kid.

Finally, someone who understands.  It's so funny to hear and read about wanting things pushed onto the school systems like Violator's suggestion.  When (and how) are we going to make parents finally take accountability and responsibility for their children?  Public education catches so much flak for being insufficient, yet people continue trying to make it our job to teach the kids everything.  It gets really tiring to hear "they should teach that in schools!!"  Not like they'd listen anyway. 

[Meatwad]

If the parents themselves refuse to take accountability and responsibility for anything they do in life, how to the kids expect to learn it before starting school

[DmonSlyr]

Finally, someone who understands.  It's so funny to hear and read about wanting things pushed onto the school systems like Violator's suggestion.  When (and how) are we going to make parents finally take accountability and responsibility for their children?  Public education catches so much flak for being insufficient, yet people continue trying to make it our job to teach the kids everything.  It gets really tiring to hear "they should teach that in schools!!"  Not like they'd listen anyway. 

Yeah but things need to change. The current schooling is designed for kids to sit in a chair quietly and try not to squirm while reading shakespear. IMO, it benefits girls far more than boys. It's why girls do better in school for the most part. They are more organized with hand writing and paperwork and aren't as mechanical in building, foraging, and outdoors man type of things. Generally speaking. So give that boy more ADHD meds because he can't sit still and focus... instead of teaching him skills like mechanics, robotics, ect, where he's more suited to be successful. Ohh well he can't sit there and go to college so he will be a failure.... nevermind that he would have made an amazing tradesman if they had shown him a better way.

While parents should be teaching their kids, not all of them have mechanical skills, time, and understanding either, because they didn't learn it either. Hell I know some friends who grew up with a single mom and still don't even know how to fish....

And he'll, if many of them aren't even getting fed (muh free school lunches - debate) which it probably should be free honestly, than how are parents going to teach the kids real beneficial outdoor skills and self defense if they don't have those skills either?

[RUSH1]

If by that you mean lazy or ineffective parents using the schools to raise their kids, I agree. I saw kids going to kindergarten and even first grade who had not even been toilet trained competently. The schools job, as originally designed, is to educate not instill morals or indoctrinate into a religion. Far too many "parents" figure that popping the kid out, housing and feeding them then dumping the onto the school is the limit of their responsibilities to the kid.

Amen.   

[Banshee7]

Yeah but things need to change. The current schooling is designed for kids to sit in a chair quietly and try not to squirm while reading shakespear. IMO, it benefits girls far more than boys. It's why girls do better in school for the most part. They are more organized with hand writing and paperwork and aren't as mechanical in building, foraging, and outdoors man type of things. Generally speaking. So give that boy more ADHD meds because he can't sit still and focus... instead of teaching him skills like mechanics, robotics, ect, where he's more suited to be successful. Ohh well he can't sit there and go to college so he will be a failure.... nevermind that he would have made an amazing tradesman if they had shown him a better way.

While parents should be teaching their kids, not all of them have mechanical skills, time, and understanding either, because they didn't learn it either. Hell I know some friends who grew up with a single mom and still don't even know how to fish....

And he'll, if many of them aren't even getting fed (muh free school lunches - debate) which it probably should be free honestly, than how are parents going to teach the kids real beneficial outdoor skills and self defense if they don't have those skills either?

While I can't speak for every state, I can speak for Tennessee.  Most of our male students either graduate with enough college credits to cover an entire semester of college (or more) OR they graduate with a certification in welding, HVAC, automotive, robotics, and several other trades.  Even the females have the opportunities to study cosmetology and other skills.  Many students graduate with both college credits and vocational training.  In our school, any excuse for not being setup for postsecondary life is strictly on the students and the parents.  Every student meets with the advisors often throughout their entire high school career to explore their opportunities. 

The education that you described is dated, and there's been a push for several years (my entire decade) to change that.  Classrooms have moved more towards project-based learning and away from lecture style.  I am guilty of leaning a lot on lecture, but I mix it up.  It's hard to teach 30 students at one time on with reading levels ranging from above grade level all the way down to a 2nd grade reading level (I teach juniors and seniors mainly).  I would rather over-prepare those not going to college than under-prepare those that are by teaching the way our teachers taught us.

All that to say, I don't think teaching "outdoor man type things" has a place in education.  Our nation's education as a whole is lacking.  Teaching a kid how to fish isn't going to help.  Parents reading to their kids while they're children and being active parents will help more than anything. 

Edit: For reference, I teach at a rural county high school with a school population of over 1,100 students.  And, because of the income level of our students, we qualify for free breakfasts and lunches for every student.