GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES

[~ZoSo~]

I don't think plane choice is as much of an issue as the only-fight-in-numbers crowd (which was also made worse with AWACS).  Most of the players left only fight when they have at least 2-3 guys to help them.  Apparently flying planes and using tactics to counter that is also frowned upon...

So, at the end of the day, just accept the fact that nothing is going to change for the duration of AH3 and continue flying what and how you want. 

This in a nutshell. No game updates or change in player behavior. It’s been a good run. Find fun where you can.

[Shuffler]

What do you mean THEN

 

[nrshida]

Wish I had more time to play. I pop in from time to time.

All hail McSpek! Thane of the outside toilet and that little gravelly patch next to the garden shed. I'd be in the DA too but I also got tired of waiting for people to show up. Was even worse in my daytime.

FWIW thank you violator for atleast standing up for the BEST part of this game all these years. 

Yes, seconded, ONYA Violator for keeping up the effort. 

Maybe we could integrate recent events to see what happens when you push the victory-motif to the limit. It's not healthy. Not for the game and certainly not for yourself. Very very few AH players have actually experienced meaningful injury for getting shot down. Who cares? The thing I miss the third-most about AH is the amount of players willing to risk everything just to see if they could, and if they couldn't then leave really good looking flying on the ahf films of their opponent.

When you quit trying to push yourself in an immediately-replaceable cartoon aircraft, then you die inside a little bit more. Score doesn't register that.

[Yarbles]

All hail McSpek! Thane of the outside toilet and that little gravelly patch next to the garden shed. I'd be in the DA too but I also got tired of waiting for people to show up. Was even worse in my daytime.

Yes, seconded, ONYA Violator for keeping up the effort. 

Maybe we could integrate recent events to see what happens when you push the victory-motif to the limit. It's not healthy. Not for the game and certainly not for yourself. Very very few AH players have actually experienced meaningful injury for getting shot down. Who cares? The thing I miss the third-most about AH is the amount of players willing to risk everything just to see if they could, and if they couldn't then leave really good looking flying on the ahf films of their opponent.

When you quit trying to push yourself in an immediately-replaceable cartoon aircraft, then you die inside a little bit more. Score doesn't register that.

This sounds amazing !! I wish I had some idea about what any of it means 

Is it some high level Zen that I have to climb a mountain in my mind to comprehend and then look down on the nature of the self ?

Personally I often like to lose myself in the war effort while still attending to increasing my skills. That fella in the "Battle of The Bulge" explains it to his corporal servant. No we will not win the war but we can stay in uniform and keep fighting. We win one war in the certainty that we will then be able to fight in the next. "Only the dead have seen the end of war"

I think Zack is coming to level this edifice that is being created 

[LilMak]

Have to say I have only been back a week and like the new proximity info we now get.

Easier to find the fight and not get ganged or picked  .

Easier to find a fight…maybe.

But it definitely makes it easier to get picked, encourages ganging, makes SA an unnecessary skill, singles out bombers and goons, and encourages people to select planes like Tempests in the hangar so they can break off and reset before any enemy is even in icon range.

[Yarbles]

Easier to find a fight…maybe.

But it definitely makes it easier to get picked, encourages ganging, makes SA an unnecessary skill, singles out bombers and goons, and encourages people to select planes like Tempests in the hangar so they can break off and reset before any enemy is even in icon range.

I think it speeds up the action. Yes it does make ganging etc easier but don't we just build that into our SA. No one wants to fly around for half an hour without action. In DCS that can be standard but it is easy to find action in AH.

Picking, ganging etc still seem to me to be a function of SA and SA depends on the information which is the same for everyone.

You can fly a high 51 pick and run and get 2 kills an hour if you are that sort or get down and dirty and get 4 kills in 5 minutes if you are good enough.

I think 51 is a good plane to learn in as you don't have to just keep getting killed and can watch the action.

I like to fly older planes they are a challenge. Land 3 kills in a Hurri 1 for example.

[ACE]

Yeah, should be adjusted, and I just can't figure out the whole kill messages thing either. Like why should all anonymity be removed as soon as I get a kill?, especially with Awacs dar..

But, back on point. The Tempest should be used to enter hoards as a lone wolf like Lazer said. NOT flying to a field that's already being over ran by your team so you can help gang a field of defenders...

I'd like to see many of the other planes being used. Consistently the main planes I see in the MA are 190Ds, Yak3s, and Spit16s, with a rising Temp usage. With so many other types of planes, why not trying something a little more challenging? It will be better for the game overall.


 

Fancy seeing you around! Yeah, the lack of true ACM skill and ability to turn fight and get down and dirty is very sparce these days. Not sure why no one wants to take it to the next level and learn some important defense skills. Its crazy to me to see a Spit16 BnZ me and then fly away and not even finish attacking me. I see that all of the time in P51s and 190Ds so that's why I made this post to altleast see if I can get more folks to try mid war planes and fight in them and learn there is more to pressing X and BnZing to get kills.

Yeah I see what you’re saying. It’s just not as fun like that. I always preferred going in around maybe 5K in a 152.  Flaps out low and slow with that plane is the most fun challenge I ever undertook in the MA.

[Yarbles]

Yeah I see what you’re saying. It’s just not as fun like that. I always preferred going in around maybe 5K in a 152.  Flaps out low and slow with that plane is the most fun challenge I ever undertook in the MA.

I remember you 

Bleedin trouble maker 

[LilMak]

I think it speeds up the action. Yes it does make ganging etc easier but don't we just build that into our SA. No one wants to fly around for half an hour without action. In DCS that can be standard but it is easy to find action in AH.

Picking, ganging etc still seem to me to be a function of SA and SA depends on the information which is the same for everyone.

You can fly a high 51 pick and run and get 2 kills an hour if you are that sort or get down and dirty and if you are good enough get 4 kills in 5 minutes if you are good enough.

I have never had to fly around for a half hour looking for a fight in the history of the MA unless I was trying to start a fight where there wasn’t one. Darbar was/is sufficient. No one believes that making radar towers relevant again is going to stop picking and ganging. But it will make it a little less easy to cherry pick fights that benefit timid pilots as well as possibly bringing back some of the earlier model aircraft diversity.

The compromise, in my opinion, is to have AWACS available in the hangar but not in flight. It allows you to find the fight but still makes keeping your head on a swivel a component of combat.

[Yarbles]

I have never had to fly around for a half hour looking for a fight in the history of the MA unless I was trying to start a fight where there wasn’t one. Darbar was/is sufficient. No one believes that making radar towers relevant again is going to stop picking and ganging. But it will make it a little less easy to cherry pick fights that benefit timid pilots as well as possibly bringing back some of the earlier model aircraft diversity.

The compromise, in my opinion, is to have AWACS available in the hangar but not in flight. It allows you to find the fight but still makes keeping your head on a swivel a component of combat.

I have to agree for fidelity to the reality you are right but many of us just don't have the ability to mind map the situation well enough without the AWACS as you call it but the clipboard makes the situation understandable. Its a personal preference I guess and levels the playing field. Its about accessibility I suppose to the greatest number of  subscribers but it is less realistic.

Its a bit like Icons v Dots only.

However the people with innate fighter pilot skills need some one to shoot at 

[nrshida]

Is it some high level Zen that I have to climb a mountain in my mind to comprehend and then look down on the nature of the self ?

Nah. Fly, try, die repeat.

[Yarbles]

Nah. Fly, try, die repeat.

But also fly, try, kill dance on his/her grave 

Especially if you had a good fight 

And if you lost learned something for next time 

Win/Win

It is the path grasshopper  (5 Flatcaps and a pie)

[Dadtallica]

Have to say I have only been back a week and like the new proximity info we now get.

Easier to find the fight and not get ganged or picked  .

Same but it’s not a popular opinion.

[TWCAxew]

Good luck making Dale change perk cost (or eny). Sadly never gonna happen.

[HL117]

Have seen cmex and lazer in those planes a lot this past few weeks. With their skill they alone will move the numbers. The others that are flying them are just using them to get away from fights and ho.

 cmex is back ..... no way....lol..  if he wasn't a shade before returning it won't take him long before he is destroying everyone in his Niki ... welcome back  cmex !