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Re: State of Sim'ing 2024 Survey
« Reply #120 on: January 20, 2025, 10:21:32 AM »
Recommended and required often have a wide gap. What was the difference between the requirements? Is there no configuration that would allow AHIII to perform similarly to AHII?

I know a lot of the GV'ers were having fits over the trees.

I suspect some of the FPS complaints as veiled complaints about the trees impact on performance by proxy.

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Re: State of Sim'ing 2024 Survey
« Reply #121 on: January 20, 2025, 10:24:28 AM »
Well the recommended processor speed went up 35%, RAM doubled, and video card specs quadrupled. What is 'significant' to you?



There are always some players who can't ore aren't willing to upgrade, but stagnation is far more hurting to a live game. And the new specs were still very low for that time. I had was running AHIII without problems on a potato that struggled a lot with modern games at the time. Some players may have left, but overall not too many and numbers didn't take any significant hit.

Lusche had a pretty interesting graph estimating player count off some proxy measurement like  Kills per tour or something?

It's pilots per tour. More specifically, number of pilots with at least one kill or death:



AH3 launch was in September 2016, Steam launch August 2017


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Re: State of Sim'ing 2024 Survey
« Reply #122 on: January 20, 2025, 10:30:31 AM »
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That decline definitely shallowed out. 
I think you are down to your lifer population.
I think the ones you have left will decrease proportional to demographic mortality rates.

Whether it ever ticks up again, is an open question.


 
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Re: State of Sim'ing 2024 Survey
« Reply #123 on: January 20, 2025, 10:54:11 AM »
I'm confused.  What did I leave it out of?  It's mentioned in those surveys.  Enigma recent did some interesting videos on it lately. 
It's a huge money maker.

I haven't played it.  I tried it very briefly a couple of years ago but I hadn't realized about the sim mode.  I didn't like the arcade mode.

[Edit]  I assume you realize that is not my video.  I didn't run the survey.

I meant in your write up. It makes sense though if you aren't playing it that you wouldn't make comments about it :)

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Re: State of Sim'ing 2024 Survey
« Reply #124 on: January 20, 2025, 11:03:46 AM »
I mean we do have updates... like the new US map. Was that promoted on steam? It wasn't promoted on the main website.

I don't understand that.
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Re: State of Sim'ing 2024 Survey
« Reply #125 on: January 20, 2025, 11:06:56 AM »
I meant in your write up. It makes sense though if you aren't playing it that you wouldn't make comments about it :)

Well, also is, in their space, they own it.  There is no meaningful competition.  There is no horse race.



It's further down the fidelity spectrum where things are shaping up for a fight.  I expect Combat Pilot will be fitting in there between IL2-GB and DCS.

That is the part of the sim space that is starting to get interesting.

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Re: State of Sim'ing 2024 Survey
« Reply #126 on: January 20, 2025, 11:12:08 AM »
Shrug. 

Then don't open the thread.  No one forces you to read it, or post in it.

Obviously some are very fearful for "their game". It's justified but mistaken to believe a discussion about the state of flight sims is going to send their remaining base packing.
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Re: State of Sim'ing 2024 Survey
« Reply #127 on: January 20, 2025, 11:14:40 AM »
Minimum to minimum is:
Double CPU requirement, double RAM requirement, double GPU requirement. Recommended becomes the minimum, though I feel it is disingenuous to advertise there's 'no significant difference' when a player goes from playing a game on normal settings fine to struggling to play on low settings.

With that said, I had little empathy for folks who couldn't continue to play AH on their Compaqs.

I couldn't find the min req for AHII. Care to share? Only fair since I shared the current minimum requirements.
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Re: State of Sim'ing 2024 Survey
« Reply #128 on: January 20, 2025, 11:20:40 AM »
There are always some players who can't ore aren't willing to upgrade, but stagnation is far more hurting to a live game. And the new specs were still very low for that time. I had was running AHIII without problems on a potato that struggled a lot with modern games at the time. Some players may have left, but overall not too many and numbers didn't take any significant hit.
I've got no disagreements with this. Lack of steady development and increased competition in the genre are the two main contributing factors. But these are/were very obvious, so the constant questions of "where are all the peoples?" is extremely disingenuous because the people posing the questions are just trying to bait the responses they want out of people.

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Re: State of Sim'ing 2024 Survey
« Reply #129 on: January 20, 2025, 11:21:36 AM »
I couldn't find the min req for AHII. Care to share? Only fair since I shared the current minimum requirements.
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Re: State of Sim'ing 2024 Survey
« Reply #130 on: January 20, 2025, 11:22:27 AM »
No doubt the subscription is the #1 thing holding AH back. Its just incredibly tough to get an old player to subscribe again just to try the game again. For example, i still hop into Il2 from time to time, but its not my favorite, so if I had to pay $15 just to play it again for a month, I'm not sure I would because I'm not sure how much time I could put into, or if I even wanted to.. thats probably the conundrum so many have. We really need some server FTP custom arenas to get popular in AH. That would go a long way IMO.

I agree. I have 3 kids that I play with from time to time. They love the arcade assault tank battles in WT and we usually play one once a day most days but there are times where we might not play together for a week.  I think $60 a month for 4 accounts is unreasonable when I can have accounts on WT and IL2, WW2 online, WoW etc that I can play together with them for free.

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Re: State of Sim'ing 2024 Survey
« Reply #131 on: January 20, 2025, 11:25:37 AM »
Not to mention the sharing of everything from Netflix, prime, Disney, etc..

In that light $15 is more than some think they should pay for anything ..lol

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Re: State of Sim'ing 2024 Survey
« Reply #132 on: January 20, 2025, 11:31:46 AM »
It's the comparison with what is available for free. People paid $6/hr to play Air Warrior back in the late 80's early 90's. I was one of them. If there was only one multi-player flight sim today $15 would not be an issue.

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Re: State of Sim'ing 2024 Survey
« Reply #133 on: January 20, 2025, 11:34:21 AM »
I've got no disagreements with this. Lack of steady development and increased competition in the genre are the two main contributing factors. But these are/were very obvious, so the constant questions of "where are all the peoples?" is extremely disingenuous because the people posing the questions are just trying to bait the responses they want out of people.

See, that's cult thinking.

The question "Where are all the people at?"  is meant as a challenge to the people who want to delusional claim that graphics don't matter, that AH does everything better than everyone else,  that the subscription doesn't matter it's only $0.50 a day, that essentially AH has nothing to learn from any other sim.

If all that were true, if the market agreed with that, there should be a lot more players in the arena.  If their delusional wishful thinking is true, then that begs the question, OK,

"Where are all the people at?"

Apparently the market doesn't agree with a lot of peoples assessment.


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Re: State of Sim'ing 2024 Survey
« Reply #134 on: January 20, 2025, 11:37:33 AM »
Not to mention the sharing of everything from Netflix, prime, Disney, etc..

In that light $15 is more than some think they should pay for anything ..lol

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