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Offline Dadtallica

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Re: If it's free..it's for me
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2025, 11:24:20 AM »
There is no way Animl doesn’t play IL2.
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Re: If it's free..it's for me
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2025, 12:49:00 PM »
My biggest issues with IL2 and DCS multi-player right now is there is no action on the map and it makes it very tough to find where the action/fight is. And then it's no icons so I have to go blind trying to figure out which one is friendly vs enemy in the furball. By that time my SA is already compromised. Something I'm still getting use to. I stare at a computer all day so staring more at planes with no icons is tough for me.

This right here has to be a big disincentive to players who are:

a) capable of handling a fm from whatever modeling engine
b) looking for fun action vs live opponents, not offline missions

It seems to be more work than play.
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Re: If it's free..it's for me
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2025, 01:03:29 PM »
There is no way Animl doesn’t play IL2.

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Re: If it's free..it's for me
« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2025, 01:14:41 PM »
This right here has to be a big disincentive to players who are:

a) capable of handling a fm from whatever modeling engine
b) looking for fun action vs live opponents, not offline missions

It seems to be more work than play.

Agreed

Not as bad as DCS, but as Allan Watts says “…it’s all wretch and no vomit”.

Some like watching pretty fireworks, I like firing them off.

I guess as an absolute, no way out, last resort, I guess I’d play golf and in a pretty golf course. But, giving money to a Russian company seems like voodoo.

DCS does ZERO for me for over 20 yrs now. Its not new.

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Re: If it's free..it's for me
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2025, 01:32:48 PM »

My biggest issues with IL2 and DCS multi-player right now is there is no action on the map and it makes it very tough to find where the action/fight is. And then it's no icons so I have to go blind trying to figure out which one is friendly vs enemy in the furball. By that time my SA is already compromised. Something I'm still getting use to. I stare at a computer all day so staring more at planes with no icons is tough for me.

I haven't tried the newer IL-2 stuff but is it not an option to build your own server any longer? If it is possible, maybe a server with icons, all the micro management stuff toned down or turned off with settings similar to AH maybe? I don't know. I know I do prefer to find battles, not have to micro manage everything.....although, I think it'd be cool if you couldn't fly around all day with the throttle at 100%. Anyhow, point being, maybe there's a way to get something similar to what we have here with a server and settings.
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Re: If it's free..it's for me
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2025, 01:39:41 PM »
I’ve never played IL2 online I just do the single player.
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Re: If it's free..it's for me
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2025, 02:04:09 PM »
I’ve never played IL2 online I just do the single player.

When AW came out with MMP arena it was a step forward in gaming/sims, because all games seemed single player at the time. It was new and impressive, hook in mouth.

I view AI as a step backwards. I didn’t even like the AW C-47 drones.
I don’t care for the 2 buff drones, I miss B-17 Death Stars.

I’m not going to step backwards and like it too.

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Re: If it's free..it's for me
« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2025, 02:05:18 PM »
I tried a long time ago and had a hell of a time getting my snap views set up the way I wanted, I guess they figure everyone’s moved on to Trackir/VR or I’m just bad at setting things up. I’ve always appreciated AH’s low cost/equipment barrier for entry.
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Re: If it's free..it's for me
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2025, 02:37:29 PM »
Not sure about every version of IL-2 but at least some have snap views.
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Re: If it's free..it's for me
« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2025, 02:38:29 PM »
My biggest issues with IL2 and DCS multi-player right now is there is no action on the map and it makes it very tough to find where the action/fight is. And then it's no icons so I have to go blind trying to figure out which one is friendly vs enemy in the furball. By that time my SA is already compromised. Something I'm still getting use to. I stare at a computer all day so staring more at planes with no icons is tough for me.
I don't disagree there. No icons is kind of unfortunate and worse as a VR player with an entry level headset. It's very difficult to ID planes and often can't tell until you're at the merge with them. My only wish for Combat Box is to have some sort of icon that identifies friendly or enemy. Like, all I want is a blue dot over a plane so I can tell that guy's on my team. The game does tell you when certain targets are being attacked, and when enemies are close to airfields, that appears on the map. But there is no AWACS radar like Aces High. Actually, I take that back as some setups have the A-20 or Ju 88 with literal radar onboard that you can fly around and provide dot-dar for your team.

I haven't tried the newer IL-2 stuff but is it not an option to build your own server any longer? If it is possible, maybe a server with icons, all the micro management stuff toned down or turned off with settings similar to AH maybe? I don't know. I know I do prefer to find battles, not have to micro manage everything.....although, I think it'd be cool if you couldn't fly around all day with the throttle at 100%. Anyhow, point being, maybe there's a way to get something similar to what we have here with a server and settings.

Yes it's quite easy to host a private server (I do). Though, the mission/server editor is a different story. I've yet to dive into it much. I don't believe the icon system is very intuitive, at least not like all the various options we have with AH. As far as I know they're just sort of 'on' or 'off' and the icons in IL2 aren't great to be honest. Like I said above, I'd prefer just an option to put a little dot over a plane to denote friendly or enemy.

It's a bit different from AH in that you can't look at the map, find 20 red dots, and take off from that field. But, anyone who says they can't find a fight in IL2 has clearly never played in one of the popular Multiplayer servers like Combat Box. And yes - having to deal with some minimal engine management is an intriguing concept and is a nice breath of fresh air from the relative braindead gameplay of AH (that being auto-climb, full throttle all the time, etc, etc).

I tried a long time ago and had a hell of a time getting my snap views set up the way I wanted, I guess they figure everyone’s moved on to Trackir/VR or I’m just bad at setting things up. I’ve always appreciated AH’s low cost/equipment barrier for entry.
I found the view system to be not great but I also utilize the F8/pan function heavily in AH and that isn't really an option in IL2 as you need to cycle through the view options to reset it. I fly IL2 exclusively in VR which has its own issues (as stated above).
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« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2025, 04:13:56 PM »
Web cams can be had for cheap and head tracking software is free. Makes any flight sim better.
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Re: If it's free..it's for me
« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2025, 04:30:48 PM »
I tried a long time ago and had a hell of a time getting my snap views set up the way I wanted, I guess they figure everyone’s moved on to Trackir/VR or I’m just bad at setting things up. I’ve always appreciated AH’s low cost/equipment barrier for entry.

I use a hat for snap views in IL-2. Very similar to AH with three notable differences. Two good, one bad.

Good #1. When configuring your head position for a specific view, you can use the mouse to get a custom angle for that specific hat position. Let's say you want your 3 O'clock view to really be centered at 4 O'clock. you can do that. In AH, 3 O'clock is always 90 degrees to the right,

Good #2. You can have a different level of zoom on each head position. For example, I have a button set as a "look down" modifier to give me view angles to the low 1,4,7, and 11 positions. Since looking down onto the wing is useless, I set the 3 and 9 hat positions with "look down" also pressed into zoomed 3 and 9 views on the horizontal. I do the same for "Down + 12 hat" for a zoom over the nose to aid in spotting.

Bad. Saving a 6 O'clock view also saves which "shoulder" that view looks over. You can use the mouse to set whichever side you want saved, but 6 hat will always be from that side. Rotating from 5-7 across the 6 will force the view to snap around through the forward positions to get to the opposite shoulder. For example, if your 6 hat is saved for a right shoulder view to 6 O'clock, you will transition from 5 to 6 without issue, but 7 to 6 will always rotate around the front. Vice versa if 6 hat is saved to the left. More realistic than AH's "Linda Blair" views, but much more annoying because you WILL lose sight of enemies crossing behind you.
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Re: If it's free..it's for me
« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2025, 05:40:35 PM »
Not sure about every version of IL-2 but at least some have snap views.

IL-2 1946's work exactly how I like them, and I still play that game because it's great (even better after you download 90 gigs of mods).

I found the view system to be not great but I also utilize the F8/pan function heavily in AH and that isn't really an option in IL2 as you need to cycle through the view options to reset it. I fly IL2 exclusively in VR which has its own issues (as stated above).

I've never really messed around with pan views but having to cycle through stuff would definitely drive me nuts.

I use a hat for snap views in IL-2. Very similar to AH with three notable differences. Two good, one bad.

Good #1. When configuring your head position for a specific view, you can use the mouse to get a custom angle for that specific hat position. Let's say you want your 3 O'clock view to really be centered at 4 O'clock. you can do that. In AH, 3 O'clock is always 90 degrees to the right,

Good #2. You can have a different level of zoom on each head position. For example, I have a button set as a "look down" modifier to give me view angles to the low 1,4,7, and 11 positions. Since looking down onto the wing is useless, I set the 3 and 9 hat positions with "look down" also pressed into zoomed 3 and 9 views on the horizontal. I do the same for "Down + 12 hat" for a zoom over the nose to aid in spotting.

Bad. Saving a 6 O'clock view also saves which "shoulder" that view looks over. You can use the mouse to set whichever side you want saved, but 6 hat will always be from that side. Rotating from 5-7 across the 6 will force the view to snap around through the forward positions to get to the opposite shoulder. For example, if your 6 hat is saved for a right shoulder view to 6 O'clock, you will transition from 5 to 6 without issue, but 7 to 6 will always rotate around the front. Vice versa if 6 hat is saved to the left. More realistic than AH's "Linda Blair" views, but much more annoying because you WILL lose sight of enemies crossing behind you.

Good to know!  It's been a long time but I remember messing around with views forever messing with that stuff only to get into a fight and miss several chances to fire at an enemy because I was trying to make sure they WERE an enemy only to be shot down by a friendly who couldn't be bothered to check.  I'll have to give it another go sometime.
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Re: If it's free..it's for me
« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2025, 11:26:00 PM »
IL-2 1946's work exactly how I like them, and I still play that game because it's great (even better after you download 90 gigs of mods).

Yeah, it's great with all the mods. Hell, I even like the graphics.
However, I was adding some skins recently and screwed my entire build up. I'm in the middle of reinstalling everything currently. Damn, I had all my controls and stuff mapped perfectly.

Some dudes are working on CLOD and it's pretty good too.

None of them match AH for me but it's good to have something to fall back on I suppose.
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Re: If it's free..it's for me
« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2025, 11:57:49 PM »
If IL-2 had the numbers of online players when AH was in its prime id take the time to learn it. Sad numbers are fading here, sad.  Hope a new sim shows up worth playing or AH gets the love it needs