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Re: Auto-country swap is slowly hurting what is left of the game.
« Reply #30 on: June 07, 2025, 03:53:05 PM »
Sunday night, Knits had over 50% of the Bish bases. Why? It shouldnt happen.  How many players logged when they logged in and saw that. Just stupid.

Bish morning crew intentionally did the same today: insert your statement/question here too…
They're casting their bait over there, see?

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Re: Auto-country swap is slowly hurting what is left of the game.
« Reply #31 on: June 07, 2025, 04:55:42 PM »
Why not just have 1 giant dueling arena?
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Re: Auto-country swap is slowly hurting what is left of the game.
« Reply #32 on: June 07, 2025, 05:18:33 PM »
ENY has been a complete pain in my arse ever since it has been implemented and has been a contributing factor in me cancelling my subscription more than twice.

I like to fly with my friends and squad. The Damned FSO squad got folded into the 412th over a decade ago. Back during Covid I would try and make FSO then Fly the MA afterwards with J0ker and Drano. We would Fly P38s sometimes I would fly my big blue bent wing beauty. After about 30 minutes of flyign in the MA after FSO we would get locked out of all the aircraft we wanted to fly. We would change sides if we could. However, shortly After a side swap sides would become unbalanced again and ENY would ruin the fun. After the first side swap you couldn't change countries again for 6 hours well past out bedtimes. At this point we would just log off.

But Wait there's MORE!

Now we have Auto Contry Swap ... Which is great for the friendless looser who has no squad or friends to fly with ... it even gave them perk points. Unfortunately it has 2 fatal flaws .... First you can't side swap as a group and could very well find yourself fighting the very buddy you were winging with 10 minutes earlier and secondly once you depart the auto change poney ride I hope you like the country you are on because the lock still kicks in and you are stuck for 6 hours.

Simplest solution that took the least amount of effort to deal with the issue ..... Turn off the Country Change Lock or reduce to 30 min or 1hour. For a Bonus instead of using ENY to lock out planes just start perking the late war models depending on what the ENY values are.

Nope we got complex side swapping mechanism that doesn't really fix anything and the game is still bleeding paying customers.

I tried to build The Damned Back up in 2019 right before Covid went into full swing. No one really wanted to come back to AH even to this day.

Most of the older players wanted to move on to DCS and IL2.

We have no problem recruiting from the DCS community or Recruiting old AH and AW players to DCS but none of them want to come back to AH. Right now we have about 3 or 4 active Damned and about 2 or 3 inactive (Does not fly as Damned) players in AH and It's practically impossible to recruit in AH with declining numbers.

Doesn't really help us when we have a Masonic approach to recruitment .... 2B1Ask1, but it helps reduce the chanced of getting Jon Ray'ed again.

Their are two legitimate arguments against Instant side swapping.

CV Tomfoolery which has a simple solution .... Lock out CV control for players if they change sides for 1-6 hours. It's better than locking out side changing. Also keep in mind right now nothing stops auto swap players from dorking around with the CV's

Other wise the only major argument against instant side swapping is Greifing and Spying. Nothing stops autoswappers from doing this any way they just have less control over it as they don't get to decide when the change and what country they change to.

Spying itself is a joke. Make a free account or a shade, Sit in the tower, Open up your map and text buffer ... Privately stream the game to youtube, Facebook, Discord,Twitch .... even when a player isn't actively playing they can just set it up for their friends. Get a couple of account or friends to do this and you everything that is going on an all sides and there is absolutely NOTHING any one can do about it!

So Spying has been a mute point ever since live game streaming became a thing.

But at the end of the day Side balancing is broke they game is still bleeding subscribers. If HTC and/or the AH community doesn't come up with a fix the game is going to die a slow agonizing death that even AH baby Jesus can't save!

Pass the popcorn


P.S. Some people have been asking for AH MA to go to a two sides war from three. I'm not sure if that would work but I think it's a good idea to give it a try at least until we have the numbers to go back to a 3 way war in the MA.

Edit: We already have the auto swap and there is no reason to do away with it even if we turn off the Lockouts. It gives us one more side balancing tool and gives un-attached players a chance to pick up some perks plus HT already put in the work to design and deploy it, I would hate to waste it.
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Re: Auto-country swap is slowly hurting what is left of the game.
« Reply #33 on: June 07, 2025, 06:32:22 PM »
Bish morning crew intentionally did the same today: insert your statement/question here too…

Your missing the point, it is NEVER justified, I don't care WHO does it.
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Re: Auto-country swap is slowly hurting what is left of the game.
« Reply #34 on: June 07, 2025, 07:07:05 PM »
We have no problem recruiting from the DCS community or Recruiting old AH and AW players to DCS but none of them want to come back to AH. Right now we have about 3 or 4 active Damned and about 2 or 3 inactive (Does not fly as Damned) players in AH and It's practically impossible to recruit in AH with declining numbers.

Pass the popcorn
Quick disclosure before I get attacked by Animl the ankle biter and the other guy who's name I forget. I was just here responding to some PMs and saw this post and couldn't help myself.

I'd come back and apply to join as long as if I'm accepted I can fly as Skier use the same "enhancements" he did,  trash talk to everybody and I can say it's actually my squad!

Actually I'd be more interested in joining in IL2 or WT. I haven't really got into DCS. A couple good guys on comms could rule in WT sim battles.

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Re: Auto-country swap is slowly hurting what is left of the game.
« Reply #35 on: June 07, 2025, 07:30:14 PM »
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Re: Auto-country swap is slowly hurting what is left of the game.
« Reply #36 on: June 07, 2025, 07:46:46 PM »
ENY has been a complete pain in my arse ever since it has been implemented and has been a contributing factor in me cancelling my subscription more than twice.

I like to fly with my friends and squad. The Damned FSO squad got folded into the 412th over a decade ago. Back during Covid I would try and make FSO then Fly the MA afterwards with J0ker and Drano. We would Fly P38s sometimes I would fly my big blue bent wing beauty. After about 30 minutes of flyign in the MA after FSO we would get locked out of all the aircraft we wanted to fly. We would change sides if we could. However, shortly After a side swap sides would become unbalanced again and ENY would ruin the fun. After the first side swap you couldn't change countries again for 6 hours well past out bedtimes. At this point we would just log off.

But Wait there's MORE!

Now we have Auto Contry Swap ... Which is great for the friendless looser who has no squad or friends to fly with ... it even gave them perk points. Unfortunately it has 2 fatal flaws .... First you can't side swap as a group and could very well find yourself fighting the very buddy you were winging with 10 minutes earlier and secondly once you depart the auto change poney ride I hope you like the country you are on because the lock still kicks in and you are stuck for 6 hours.

Simplest solution that took the least amount of effort to deal with the issue ..... Turn off the Country Change Lock or reduce to 30 min or 1hour. For a Bonus instead of using ENY to lock out planes just start perking the late war models depending on what the ENY values are.

Nope we got complex side swapping mechanism that doesn't really fix anything and the game is still bleeding paying customers.

I tried to build The Damned Back up in 2019 right before Covid went into full swing. No one really wanted to come back to AH even to this day.

Most of the older players wanted to move on to DCS and IL2.

We have no problem recruiting from the DCS community or Recruiting old AH and AW players to DCS but none of them want to come back to AH. Right now we have about 3 or 4 active Damned and about 2 or 3 inactive (Does not fly as Damned) players in AH and It's practically impossible to recruit in AH with declining numbers.

Doesn't really help us when we have a Masonic approach to recruitment .... 2B1Ask1, but it helps reduce the chanced of getting Jon Ray'ed again.

Their are two legitimate arguments against Instant side swapping.

CV Tomfoolery which has a simple solution .... Lock out CV control for players if they change sides for 1-6 hours. It's better than locking out side changing. Also keep in mind right now nothing stops auto swap players from dorking around with the CV's

Other wise the only major argument against instant side swapping is Greifing and Spying. Nothing stops autoswappers from doing this any way they just have less control over it as they don't get to decide when the change and what country they change to.

Spying itself is a joke. Make a free account or a shade, Sit in the tower, Open up your map and text buffer ... Privately stream the game to youtube, Facebook, Discord,Twitch .... even when a player isn't actively playing they can just set it up for their friends. Get a couple of account or friends to do this and you everything that is going on an all sides and there is absolutely NOTHING any one can do about it!

So Spying has been a mute point ever since live game streaming became a thing.

But at the end of the day Side balancing is broke they game is still bleeding subscribers. If HTC and/or the AH community doesn't come up with a fix the game is going to die a slow agonizing death that even AH baby Jesus can't save!

Pass the popcorn


P.S. Some people have been asking for AH MA to go to a two sides war from three. I'm not sure if that would work but I think it's a good idea to give it a try at least until we have the numbers to go back to a 3 way war in the MA.

Edit: We already have the auto swap and there is no reason to do away with it even if we turn off the Lockouts. It gives us one more side balancing tool and gives un-attached players a chance to pick up some perks plus HT already put in the work to design and deploy it, I would hate to waste it.

There are several good ideas here that should be noted.

If we were to do a word cloud on the most mentioned complaints we would prolly see ENY, Radar,  Side balance and Perks at the top, as a pattern.

The 2-Country thing has been brought up for decades, and as some with scorched ears on the subject it all looks good on paper. Human Nature and the path of least resistance and Odds are almost never equated and when it is the subject dies. It works in IL-2 because the game was designed from the embryo to be that way. But as realistic as it sounds, WWII was not really two-sided. There were many fronts of many countries, and a few countries switched sides.

It's usually only brought up by a very small group that simply repeats the subject, it seems to be the least of majority's concerns. Ask yourself, if it were, why is the AvA always empty? Well, because the masses are in the MA. It's not a concern as they have an unused option. I think this is stepping over a dollar to pick up a dime. I think other subjects are more pending. I think if you did that in this game it would work the opposite of the goal.

First of all, there has to be the Will to at least consider some tweaks.

If we stick with ENY, Perks, Side change and Radar.

I think most understand that the current radar helps new players. Icons is one of those too. I think tampering with anything that helps new players is voodoo. However, I highly prefer Dot Dar, but I'm not going through a learning curve either. Don't stack the challenge too high.

Now we're down to ENY, Perks, Side balance. What is the center point that makes these 3 items have negative effects. Prolly human nature and the path of least resistance.
Are they implemented too hard, or not enough?
Which change would have a bigger impact on attracting former/new players, better yet avoid chancing players out?

The current system of side balancing doesn't help gang-bang situations, in fact can exacerbate the problem. It's not doing that math (I don't think). It will send you to a gang-banging country if the victim country's numbers are higher than those of either gang-banging countries. 60 vs 30 is not equal in a gang-bang, only by country. It would have to send the switches to the country of 30 to balance GB situation, it doesn't. SO the algorithm to do this would probably be extensive. It's more likely some of that situation is up to the community to solve. Gaming human nature is an ugly beast. I'm sure there could be a small tweak that works with the other two issues.
3 way side balance may need a tweak. not sure on that one. That's the debate.

Personally, on the remaining subjects, I think the ideas mentioned above deserve a closer consideration.

At least at a glance, IMO, these 3 items need to work in unison.

What's the center point? What's the goal?

A couple references gave me a chuckle.

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Re: Auto-country swap is slowly hurting what is left of the game.
« Reply #37 on: June 07, 2025, 08:52:02 PM »


Wow, does this mean that you're on the ankle biter team too? No wonder the game is dying. I bet between all of you ankle biters and chest pounders that you could drive the few remaining players out while discouraging any new player from joining. Good job! WTG. Give yourself a participation trophy! lolz
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Re: Auto-country swap is slowly hurting what is left of the game.
« Reply #38 on: June 07, 2025, 08:59:46 PM »
The time switch should be 3 hours. It would make a lot more sense. The tides of the fights and #s change within 3 hours so its long enough to not be able to manipulate fights, but also allows you potentially 2 switches in the evening, one at 6 and one at 9, if you really wanted.

Going to the lower # side especially during off hours, is akin to seeing no seeing no action at all. The biggest problem with gameplay is huge maps like Oceana with 35 players on them. There's no action, scattered tiny dars, and if the CV gets sunk, everyone disappears from the fight. It's TOO BIG, and its really not making big battles for all sides to be apart of. That should be the goal. If maps arent performing they need to go. Oceana being up all weekend is not good.
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Re: Auto-country swap is slowly hurting what is left of the game.
« Reply #39 on: June 07, 2025, 09:46:05 PM »
Quick disclosure before I get attacked by Animl the ankle biter and the other guy who's name I forget. I was just here responding to some PMs and saw this post and couldn't help myself.

I'd come back and apply to join as long as if I'm accepted I can fly as Skier use the same "enhancements" he did,  trash talk to everybody and I can say it's actually my squad!

Ankle biter? DUDE, you ALLOW yourself to be offended by everything. If it's not on a red felt pillow you're offended. You keep playing this professional victim role.
Whateva, people tried to appease you and you rinse and repeat with no true intentions of returning, ya burned peeps out on it. They gave up. Simple.

You kinda troll for the negative attention that you claim to not want. Because once someone responds in the like, you say "see I told ya".
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Re: Auto-country swap is slowly hurting what is left of the game.
« Reply #40 on: June 07, 2025, 11:14:36 PM »
Ankle biter? DUDE, you ALLOW yourself to be offended by everything. If it's not on a red felt pillow you're offended. You keep playing this professional victim role.
Whateva, people tried to appease you and you rinse and repeat with no true intentions of returning, ya burned peeps out on it. They gave up. Simple.

You kinda troll for the negative attention that you claim to not want. Because once someone responds in the like, you say "see I told ya".

You guy are really going all out. I haven't been here in weeks and I got a warning for: 14- Posting topics or threads which are based on politics, race, or religion is expressly forbidden. Shame and you guys must be scouring the boards looking for anything that seems slightly out of line.

I'm giving everybody that I get PMs my personal email so some I will have no reason to log on here at all :)

Enjoy the train wreck you guys are creating. I just had a couple PMs to respond to. Don't worry I won't be back until I get some more :)

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Re: Auto-country swap is slowly hurting what is left of the game.
« Reply #41 on: June 08, 2025, 12:24:37 AM »
You guy are really going all out. I haven't been here in weeks and I got a warning for: 14- Posting topics or threads which are based on politics, race, or religion is expressly forbidden. Shame and you guys must be scouring the boards looking for anything that seems slightly out of line.

I'm giving everybody that I get PMs my personal email so some I will have no reason to log on here at all :)

Enjoy the train wreck you guys are creating. I just had a couple PMs to respond to. Don't worry I won't be back until I get some more :)

Alrighty then.

I’ll be movin on now.

I was just thinking since you trolled my name For a response I’d give ya one. All that effort in two post deserved some reward. But, ya know. Just another former player biting my ankles.

You’ll be invoiced for my highly craved attention services.

Never had a good time here, good thing I do in game.



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Re: Auto-country swap is slowly hurting what is left of the game.
« Reply #42 on: June 08, 2025, 07:33:09 AM »
You guy are really going all out. I haven't been here in weeks and I got a warning for: 14- Posting topics or threads which are based on politics, race, or religion is expressly forbidden. Shame and you guys must be scouring the boards looking for anything that seems slightly out of line.

I'm giving everybody that I get PMs my personal email so some I will have no reason to log on here at all :)

Enjoy the train wreck you guys are creating. I just had a couple PMs to respond to. Don't worry I won't be back until I get some more :)

Well, someones been using your account.

One post today, 2 yesterday, and then the "weeks off" spacing all the way back to June 1st. You didnt even make it one week. More fantasy just to come in and make a Fuss.

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Re: Auto-country swap is slowly hurting what is left of the game.
« Reply #43 on: June 08, 2025, 08:15:54 AM »
Not sure auto assign fixes anything..

Been using it for a bit now and it doesn't put you on a side with more fights all the time..sometimes just the opposite..

I think lowering the country switch time to 60 or 90 minutes would be better...maybe getting rid of the delay altogether..

If no one wants to use auto assign,  why would they switch country if the delay was removed?

The excuse that it reduces cheating just seems ridiculous at this point...

60 online at prime...who is cheating with those low numbers lol..

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Re: Auto-country swap is slowly hurting what is left of the game.
« Reply #44 on: June 08, 2025, 11:26:02 AM »
What good does auto side switch do if Im a fighter and the map is so large that the lower # side has no action at all? Im looking for a battle, not one con jaboing a field or flying 15k in a 190. If I cant join the battle from the lower # side because the fight anf only battle is 300 miles away on the other side of the map. In which sometimes you dont know who's winning that battle, there isn't much I can do so I'll just log and find quicker action in another game and check back in AH later if I can to see if bigger fights erupt closer. 
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