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Offline Animl-AW

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Re: State of the Union Address?
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2025, 08:24:03 AM »
Not sure what the paranoia about AI filling in the sagging numbers is...but I can see some of you not wanting to be killed by it lol..

It probably could be programmed not to HO ...  :joystick:

AI sticks would be better than no sticks imo..

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There is not paranoia, its personal preference to want to fight human pilots instead. Thats why we play this type of game in the first place. If AW was AI i would not have played. The day AI is used in the MA is the day you’ll really need it be ause many like me will drag up and leave.
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Re: State of the Union Address?
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2025, 12:16:41 PM »
As unpopular as my post are, I agree
Saying the game is over will indeed chase people off and make it over.

Its the reality. Live it while you can. A game with no development is a dying game and sugarcoating it isnt going to change anything. New players dont need to see the forums to make this conclusion. People just need to accept the fact that if HT wants to move on then thats his right. 

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Re: State of the Union Address?
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2025, 04:51:25 PM »
Its the reality. Live it while you can. A game with no development is a dying game and sugarcoating it isnt going to change anything. New players dont need to see the forums to make this conclusion. People just need to accept the fact that if HT wants to move on then thats his right.

Not sayin you’re wrong, but people have been saying that for years. All almost 3 yrs I’ve been back, for sure. With the type if revenue it still brings I don’t think it will be over next month.

My point is about all things in life, not just the game.
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Re: State of the Union Address?
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2025, 09:04:58 AM »
AI is available in staged missions and can be made to include as many types of enemy and friendly planes as you want.  Their difficulty can also be modified.  Staged missions can be used online with a custom arena if you want to mix live pilots other than yourself and AI or create a mini scenario.  I am very rusty at staged mission creation, but would try to help if anyone is interested.

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Re: State of the Union Address?
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2025, 10:57:22 AM »
AI is available in staged missions and can be made to include as many types of enemy and friendly planes as you want.  Their difficulty can also be modified.  Staged missions can be used online with a custom arena if you want to mix live pilots other than yourself and AI or create a mini scenario.  I am very rusty at staged mission creation, but would try to help if anyone is interested.

I still have one of  you mission. I use it every now and then to help my gunnery accuracy. Were well done sir! <S>
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Re: State of the Union Address?
« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2025, 11:45:23 AM »
I think it'd be neat that if when someone created a mission and when it was launched AI would fill in the empty slots..

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Re: State of the Union Address?
« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2025, 11:57:23 AM »
I think it'd be neat that if when someone created a mission and when it was launched AI would fill in the empty slots..

Eagler

That is actually not a bad idea. 

The mission def could be modified to be very much like a route defined in the ME. 

Simplify things a bit so anyone can do it.  Like a quick mission generator would work.

 
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Re: State of the Union Address?
« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2025, 12:11:50 PM »
Unless I misunderstood the post, that is the way it is now.  For example with one of your 4v4 missions in a custom arena with two squad mates, 3 live players would be assigned to either side and the other 5 would be AI. 

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Re: State of the Union Address?
« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2025, 12:13:23 PM »
Unless I misunderstood the post, that is the way it is now.  For example with one of your 4v4 missions in a custom arena with two squad mates, 3 live players would be assigned to either side and the other 5 would be AI.

I think he means the ad hoc missions created in the Melee.

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So like currently (if I'm remember right) if you created an ad hoc Melee mission with 4 bomber but only one player joins, it only spawns one set.  I think he is saying fill the other slots not taken by players with more AI bombers. 

That would be intriguing and would promote more missions, and could expand off the current Melee ad hoc mission def without adding permanent ongoing AI missions.

You'd have to put some reasonable constraints on it.  ;)

Like maybe X limit on planes in any one mission and Y number of mission planes alive at any one time to avoid AI spamming. ;)

But as you see, there would be so much inherent bias against that that there would be revolution.





 
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Re: State of the Union Address?
« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2025, 12:27:54 PM »
Oh.  That would be difficult over and above the objection to AI in the MA (I am one of those against it in the MA).  You would have to create an equal number of AI defenders against the mission in one or both opposing countries.  A lot of moving parts.  Posted this before I saw your edit

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Re: State of the Union Address?
« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2025, 12:32:28 PM »
Oh.  That would be difficult over and above the objection to AI in the MA (I am one of those against it in the MA).  You would have to create an equal number of AI defenders against the mission in one or both opposing countries.  A lot of moving parts.  Posted this before I saw your edit

I don't see why.

If I create an ad hoc mission now, it creates no opposing mission on the other side, right? 

You'd have to limit it to reasonable numbers.  But let the other players intercept and shoot your AI down.  Hopefully it would be a mixture of humans and AI in the mission.

But you can't even get a change in the terrain rotation list, so no, it will never happen, but it is an interesting idea. ;)
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Re: State of the Union Address?
« Reply #26 on: July 22, 2025, 02:16:32 PM »
I think he means the ad hoc missions created in Melee

Yes the mission maker that exists now..

MA would be my pick but if not there then another arena like the western  front ww1 one up now...

As numbers slide, AI could prop them up and maybe slow it down..

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Re: State of the Union Address?
« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2025, 06:37:19 PM »
Implement this and your numbers will slide faster. Thats a mistake that won't be undone quickly.

Instead of weird gimmicks because of low numbers how about working on raising numbers?

A lit of players return because fighting AI is lame and over used.

The ones who like AI the most are those who like creating missions with it. But I never heard any player in any game say they love it over humans. They don’t they tolerate.

You think radar drove a lot off, try this.

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Re: State of the Union Address?
« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2025, 07:29:14 PM »
I would like to make some missions is it still something you can do?

Single player IL2 careers really help my AHIII gunnery and plane management. I would like to make my own missions in AH. I’ve played a few of them and they can be sun for a bit.
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Re: State of the Union Address?
« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2025, 07:36:14 PM »
I would like to make some missions is it still something you can do?

Single player IL2 careers really help my AHIII gunnery and plane management. I would like to make my own missions in AH. I’ve played a few of them and they can be sun for a bit.

Look for "ahedmiss.exe" in your distro folder.

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And refer to Mustangs docs:  https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,382993.0.html

The rest is elbow-grease.

I had tried of a year to encourage a mission builder cadre.  No one was interest at the time.  Nefarious bit to make stuff for FE.  No one else was interested.





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