I Believe in the Possibility of...

[Brooke]

Why do we spend so much time and money trying to establish a colony on planets (IE Mars) that are an unsurvivable environment?

Straightforward engineering can make livable, even thriving, environments for humans on Mars and outward, including the asteroid belt.

There is a great book on this whole angle "The Millennium Project", by Savage.  It lays out what is possible and gives a feel for why there are people who are into this sort of thing.

[Animl-AW]

Straightforward engineering can make livable, even thriving, environments for humans on Mars and outward, including the asteroid belt.

There is a great book on this whole angle "The Millennium Project", by Savage.  It lays out what is possible and gives a feel for why there are people who are into this sort of thing.

Thanks Brooke. I'm always open to alternatives to my own thoughts

However, we cannot live outside the bubble. Is that really living?

[Brooke]

However, we cannot live outside the bubble. Is that really living?

It could be like this:

[Animl-AW]

It could be like this:

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Well, you are more advanced with science than me. But where is the line between reality and pipe dream?

Humans have believed in many things that have not turned out. From mythical gods to predicting the end of earth, monsters in the closet.The radio show War of the Worlds a lot took seriously, and reminds me of the fragility of the human mind. Not intelligence, but the mind.

There are those who cam do layered equations in their head quickly, yet have a hard time tying their shoes.

The kast 15 yrs I worked a lot of talking heads, from medical to science, every day was s documentary class for me. Yet, the smarter the crowd the less the males could hit a urinal in the bathroom. Not kidding, neurologist, ya walk in the restroom and the floor is coated with urine. Literally, not kidding.  A rockstar restroom stay clean. Its such a left field observation. Yet true. No common sense.

So question if they are taking us down dead ends.

Not debating, just questioning everything.

[Brooke]

But where is the line between reality and pipe dream?

All if it is possible using today's science and technology.  It doesn't require faster-than-light travel, or space elevators, or miracle materials, or nuclear fusion, for example.

I think it's possible if mankind was willing to put in the money and effort. Both Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos (among some other billionaires) want to do it.  A bunch of regular plebeians (like me) who are enthusiasts are proponents of it.

How much money?  I don't know.  But I would be willing to bet it is less than what was wasted on useless wars and gov. graft and corruption over the past 30 years -- which is more than $5 trillion.

There are books on the feasibility of this stuff such as:

The High Frontier, by Gerard K. O'Neill (Jeff Bezos was his student in physics at Princeton)
The Millennial Project, by Marshall Savage

[AKKuya]

Animal, I don't know what your educational background is, or what your hobbies of interest are.  I don't know what your life experience is.  I don't know what social circles you run with or your environment.  Lastly, your age.

I am a high school graduate with a C average, specializing in AFJROTC and USAFACAP on the outside.  I took science classes, up to geometry in math, and history as another major interest.  Plus, the usual English, art, gym, and lunch to round out the curriculum.

I watched Star Wars at the drive-in back in the summer of '77, Battlestar Galactica as it aired, plus Mork and Mindy and The Six Million Dollar Man, The Bionic Woman and Wonder Woman, and reruns of Star Trek and Batman series as a young boy.  I was hooked on sci-fi.  I didn't know science until I got older.

I watched the first shuttle launch of Columbia.  My dad told me about men walking on the moon.  NASA became known to me at age 8.  My reading level increased, and my hunger for science, history, and military knowledge ignited.  I was still outside playing sports, riding bikes, adventures in the woods, and cub scouts.  That was with a child's imagination and fueled by curiosity.

In high school, reality and understanding of the world entered the equation.  Amid the shuttle program, I knew that Mars was not going to happen for me.  My dream is to walk on Mars.  They won't send a 60-year-old astronaut to Mars.  Much less an amputee.

I still learn as much science, history, other cultures, and current military standards.  I keep myself as knowledgeable as possible.  I'm 52 years old.  My formal education, self learned education, and life experience interacting with hundreds of different people from varied walks of life have given me a good overall point of view.  This is a small sample of my resume.

Keep asking questions.  Are your comments based on knowledge or lack of knowledge?  Is your humor based on respect or lack of respect?

Brooke does a great job of putting scientific detail into posts.  I concentrate on general discussion to allow for both types of readers to enjoy, knowledge-based and non-knowledge-based.  I'm fully capable of putting detail into my scientific posts.  They would take more time to craft.

I'm not being mean.  I'm just getting an understanding for future discussion.

[Brooke]

Its such a left field observation. Yet true. No common sense.

So question if they are taking us down dead ends.

Not debating, just questioning everything.

I hear you.  High IQ does not mean high wisdom.  A high-IQ person (like anyone) can still be an idiot, with no practical sense, no idea how people or the real world works.  I can certainly be an idiot at times, myself.

You are wise to keep a measure of skepticism about most things.  As we have seen, even some things that were considered accepted and settled end up being incorrect.

[DmonSlyr]

Also, another thing that I think is very interesting (a different angle of view than the mass/energy way of looking at things):

Quantum mechanics has a lot of weird aspects involving the role of observation (and thus consciousness), "delayed-choice quantum eraser", etc.

Quantum mechanics is full of stuff where people (including Einstein) have said, "Well, quantum mechanics can't be true, because if it were true, it means this totally bizarre thing would happen, which is impossible or a paradox."  Then folks figure out a way to test it, and the bizarre thing does happen.

It is very interesting.

Yeah Ive casually read over the last few years here and there where a few scientist had qualms with some of Einsteins stuff. I haven't quite got into the weeds of QM. Much of it is very high over my head. I like to keep an open mind about that kind of stuff because as soon as someone says "the science is settled" there is always something smaller or another phenomenon we see through a new lens that essentially "unsettles it" or takes it even further. IMO, we have come a long way, but there are many many things we have yet to understand and discover that will shape the scope of "science".

Im open to many possibilities about the earth and space and aliens. Ive watched a LOT of interviews by folks claiming to know something and maybe everyone single one is full of watermelon in one way or another. Its amazing though the agreement out there about specific alien names, like the archturians, greys, pleiadians, Anunnaki ect. Looking at many past relics with pictures, it certainly is interesting where humans got the idea for some of these stone tablet drawings, and other carvings we see from history, as well as what the organization's hiding artifacts from us, won't tell us becasue it might reshape some of societies ideas. That to me is extremely troubling since it shows they are trying to spin a narrative of history rather than allow humanity to understand that there were certain events that reshaped humanity and civilizations beyond current mainstream understanding.

[knorB]

Animal, I don't know what your educational background is, or what your hobbies of interest are.  I don't know what your life experience is.  I don't know what social circles you run with or your environment.  Lastly, your age.

I am a high school graduate with a C average, specializing in AFJROTC and USAFACAP on the outside.  I took science classes, up to geometry in math, and history as another major interest.  Plus, the usual English, art, gym, and lunch to round out the curriculum.

I watched Star Wars at the drive-in back in the summer of '77, Battlestar Galactica as it aired, plus Mork and Mindy and The Six Million Dollar Man, The Bionic Woman and Wonder Woman, and reruns of Star Trek and Batman series as a young boy.  I was hooked on sci-fi.  I didn't know science until I got older.

I watched the first shuttle launch of Columbia.  My dad told me about men walking on the moon.  NASA became known to me at age 8.  My reading level increased, and my hunger for science, history, and military knowledge ignited.  I was still outside playing sports, riding bikes, adventures in the woods, and cub scouts.  That was with a child's imagination and fueled by curiosity.

In high school, reality and understanding of the world entered the equation.  Amid the shuttle program, I knew that Mars was not going to happen for me.  My dream is to walk on Mars.  They won't send a 60-year-old astronaut to Mars.  Much less an amputee.

I still learn as much science, history, other cultures, and current military standards.  I keep myself as knowledgeable as possible.  I'm 52 years old.  My formal education, self learned education, and life experience interacting with hundreds of different people from varied walks of life have given me a good overall point of view.  This is a small sample of my resume.

Keep asking questions.  Are your comments based on knowledge or lack of knowledge?  Is your humor based on respect or lack of respect?

Brooke does a great job of putting scientific detail into posts.  I concentrate on general discussion to allow for both types of readers to enjoy, knowledge-based and non-knowledge-based.  I'm fully capable of putting detail into my scientific posts.  They would take more time to craft.

I'm not being mean.  I'm just getting an understanding for future discussion.

For entertainment purposes and you can dig deeper if you wish... dont mind temu rob lowe.

[Shuffler]

Funny, but I passed some of these places coming in some years back.

[LCADolby]

For entertainment purposes and you can dig deeper if you wish... dont mind temu rob lowe.

I love the Why Files. Even the host AJ said 99 percent of what he covers it utter bull. I love a host that doesn't take it too serious or overthink each topic.

[knorB]

I love the Why Files. Even the host AJ said 99 percent of what he covers it utter bull. I love a host that doesn't take it too serious or overthink each topic.

It's the 1% that are scary.

[AKKuya]

... the multiverse.  Which different universe would be a great place to visit?  Alternative history, film universe, doppelganger, reverse, or another type?  Why would you choose it? 

I would choose a film universe.  I would step onto the bridge of USS Voyager after being placed in the Delta Quadrant.  The 24th-century technology and medicine have real possibilities of curing ailments that our current medicine and technology can't treat.  Artificial gravity and inertia dampeners in space make a good combination for space travel.

[icepac]

If one believes in advanced alien planets, does that make one “faith based”?

[knorB]

If one believes in advanced alien planets, does that make one “faith based”?

No more proven or disproven than God so yes.