What Would It Take To Create Utopia?

[AKKuya]

When science and technology are advanced to a point where energy production becomes clean and unlimited, the future society will be radically different than today and in the past.  When energy can be converted into matter, then unlimited resources become available.

Just an example for illustration, that was the real error in the thought processes of Thanos in the MCU.  The writers had no idea of what they were talking about.

Define Utopia.

Utopia has no clear definition.  It can be multiple ideas all rolled into one masterpiece.  I would point out some definitive criteria.

no hunger
no disease
no war
no poverty
no homelessness
no crime (theft, rape, murder etc...)
no prejudice
no illiteracy
no education barriers

Unfortunately, we might be 200 to 500 years from that reality.  Striving to a goal of a better tomorrow, that is what being human is all about. 

Keep the negative comments going.  I do need my dose of laughter.

[Animl-AW]

Humans are incapable of creating a utopia, human nature gets in the way.

Agreed, totally.
Maybe I spent to much time in the forest with wildlife. I have low tolerance for human arrogance and agendas

[RUSH1]

Agreed, totally.
Maybe I spent to much time in the forest with wildlife. I have low tolerance for human arrogance and agendas

Yet your arguments usually reflect those of the left-wing nuts who are trying to destroy our Republic and create this socialist "utopia". 

[Shuffler]

Logan's Run?

[AKIron]

Pretty sure they tried that in one of the earlier matrix instances.

https://youtube.com/shorts/kL9g0imaBb4?si=1ulhUP78gNC7grRj

[Rocco]

Sounds like you're talking about a Federation type of post-scarcity society. While I love Star Trek and its optimist future, I always struggled with what motivated everyone to work. I think that's where that type of utopia kinda falls apart for me. I can get the no money economy. When there is an abundance of everything, money would become obsolete. I also get the main character's motivations, cause flying around space in a starship would be wicked cool. But if all our needs and wants are met, why would anyone do the hard, gross, dangerous, or uninteresting jobs like sanitation, mining, filing, scrubbing plasma conduits. Everyone would follow their passion, which is awesome and I wish that happened more often now. But where now when you can't follow your passion ppl have to take the unwanted jobs to build a life, in a Federation society they would just do nothing because they can. Then these terrible but necessary jobs wouldn't get done and society crumbles.

TNG touched on it a few times in regards to androids and creating a slave race of sentient machines, and established that these unwanted jobs still exist (see The Measure of a Man, great episode), but never really explained why ppl do them. To better mankind doesn't work for me without a fundamental shift in human nature. I think realistically the only way we could get there is if all of those unwanted jobs were somehow automated. But then I still see humanity ending up less like Star Trek and more like Wall-E. Maybe some kind of hybrid of the two, as there will always be ambitious ppl that want to make their mark and lazy ppl that just want to hang out on the holodeck all day.

[AKKuya]

The Greek, Norse, Egyptian, and other mythological civilizations may possibly be Type 3 civilizations that exist on different dimensional planes.  Their advanced technology would be magical to us walking apes.

They could possess the scientific means through technology to convert energy into matter.  Unlimited resources would be able to build a perfect society.

Olympus, Atlantis, the Underworld, Asgard, AAru, Avalon, Aztlan, Shangri-La, and others like them have one thing in common.  They all have regular citizens inhabiting them.  Some could be human and others could be non-human.

Hypothetically, they could be considered utopias.  We can only theorize through academia and walking ape logic.  If they did exist, then they would be good examples to learn from.  Possibly.  Skeptic in me always border on wait and see approach.  Over time, they could be not good for us.

Rocco mentioned the United Federation of Planets (UFP).  That's a good reference due to fictionalized warp drive and matter/food replicators.  The replicators are theoretically existing matter being rearranged into new constructs.  That technology creates the possibility of the beginnings of a utopian life.

The UFP still uses currency along with the other spacefaring species except for the Borg and he Q Continuum.  The UFP still has social, educational, religious, governmental, and military issues.  This is the drama created by writers for episodic television to hook viewers.

There is many YouTube content on Star Trek.

The closest form of Utopia that existed.  It was with early man during the hunter/gatherer days.  No paychecks, no rent/mortgage, no insurance, no utility bills, no grocery bills, and no taxes.  They were masters of their destiny.

This walking ape is very jealous.

 

[DmonSlyr]

Utopia is being able to work for value in society while being able to keep most or all of what you earn, living in a society that respects one's worth and values someone's contributions. A society that punishes gangs and bad doers. A society that keeps its streets clean and promotes strength, intelligence, and all level of skills. This creates a prosperous society able to bulld a utopia by working for value to help others. There are still many areas in America that live like this if you can find them.

Utopias for most would create a society similar to Saudi Arabia. There is no need to work, there is no need to educate, there is no need strive for excellence because you dont need to. The leaders hand you money every month to live on and thats it.

A society that doesnt appreciate a person's value and strives to Increase it through worth, always becomes sub par and lacks creative intelligence to drive prosperity in their nation. A society where all people are represented with the same value regardless of contribution and value, never develops in a strong sociery. Weve seen so many examples throughout history.

Working for value and worth, being able to retire, living on a plot of land or condo box anywhere you want and traveling to other lands, while also able to afford all the fun things other smart people were able to create to build their self worth so they can do the same thing. Now that is Utopia.