Ai moderation?

[Dadtallica]

Same people who belittled me on a stupid Wishlist for using AI. Yet here they are making. Live to something they cam trick into telling them what they want to hear. Ya can’t wrote this whacko stuff

<smh>

Animl nobody was talking to you or about you.

Can you please show me where I belittled you for using AI? I remember you telling me you didn’t use it in your post where you quoted me somewhere in this forum. If you could please show me what I did that to you. I would appreciate it. Otherwise don’t include me in your dementia.

[Shane]

I feel like you’re under selling things a little bit. I’m pretty sure we could give it all the proper context that needed for anyone in here that we really wanted to go down that rabbit hole with. lol I certainly don’t have that kind of time! One of you retired peeps will have to do it.

Curious what would tip the scale for you Shane?

Comparing the initial simple prompt: Can you characterize the posts by shane on this forum: https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php

Put up against a fuller context, something like: analyze user shane's personality and persona on the aces high hitech forums from 2021 to present, giving less weight to any skyyr threads and taking into consideration shane is a former player who returned to playing in 2021. take into account the 5 signature lines at the bottom of every post, where the first line is the oldest pre-dating 2021, the following four were added in 2024-26 based on in-game experiences and ensuing forum interactions since 2021 with the primary driver being morning gameplay vs the horde or swarm, taking into consideration the .rpt function. how does the concept of contestability factor into this? provide more nuance against the historical full quote of vox populi vox dei.

original: Shane is a highly engaged, technically detail-oriented, combative forum participant who tends to treat disagreements as matters to be proven rather than negotiated. He is often substantive and evidence-driven, but his style is unusually sarcastic, adversarial, and persistent once he feels someone has made a false or unfair claim.

contextualized: Shane wants reality, competition, and argument to remain contestable—to remain open to evidence, counterplay, and individual agency. His strongest qualities emerge when he is defending that openness; his abrasive qualities emerge when he becomes convinced that someone else is closing the contest unfairly, and he begins attributing that closure to deliberate motive or deficient character.

Adding those additional contextual prompts, gives a differing assessment, one that may be more contextually relevant because some of the "why" was added. 

For example, the contestability aspect:

Without the contestability model, an outsider might see: Shane complains about numbers. Shane argues about statistics. Shane fights with Skyyr. Shane gets upset about reports. Shane uses arrogant signatures.

Those look like unrelated manifestations of ego.

With contestability as the organizing principle, they become: Shane is unusually sensitive to situations in which he believes the relationship between action and outcome has been distorted.



See, you would might never discern those additional prompts as being relevant, while to me, they totally are.  So, it's all about the prompts (as gina, said, lol) that send the results to a directed outcome.

[-gg-]

No offense, but Ai returns very familiar tripe when you ask it to characterize something, or even help write something.

Once you've used it enough you start recognize it's nauseating "style" and can pick it out instantly as Ai.

Ai is a good tool. A great tool, but don't put much weight into what it says about anything. When you ask it things, it spits out some okay things. Then if you refine your question or drill down, it will pivot to what it thinks you want.

It's really fun to use it for these things, but I don't put a lot of weight into its "insights"

[Dadtallica]

Comparing the initial simple prompt: Can you characterize the posts by shane on this forum: https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php

Put up against a fuller context, something like: analyze user shane's personality and persona on the aces high hitech forums from 2021 to present, giving less weight to any skyyr threads and taking into consideration shane is a former player who returned to playing in 2021. take into account the 5 signature lines at the bottom of every post, where the first line is the oldest pre-dating 2021, the following four were added in 2024-26 based on in-game experiences and ensuing forum interactions since 2021 with the primary driver being morning gameplay vs the horde or swarm, taking into consideration the .rpt function. how does the concept of contestability factor into this? provide more nuance against the historical full quote of vox populi vox dei.

original: Shane is a highly engaged, technically detail-oriented, combative forum participant who tends to treat disagreements as matters to be proven rather than negotiated. He is often substantive and evidence-driven, but his style is unusually sarcastic, adversarial, and persistent once he feels someone has made a false or unfair claim.

contextualized: Shane wants reality, competition, and argument to remain contestable—to remain open to evidence, counterplay, and individual agency. His strongest qualities emerge when he is defending that openness; his abrasive qualities emerge when he becomes convinced that someone else is closing the contest unfairly, and he begins attributing that closure to deliberate motive or deficient character.

If you remove any of those contextual prompts, it gives a differing assessment, one that may be more contextually relevant because some of the "why" was added.

All great and agreed, but that’s what we can do now. Dale can go so much deeper.

Let’s assume he has every single transcript for any word ever typed inside the game since day one. That’s a good start.

We know he has every unedited word most likely inside this BBS since day one. We have access to this too. Good start for us, data set number two for him. And he can also take it a step further than we can because he has access to private messages which I’m guessing there’s some people in here would not want analyzed. Now he has three sets to our one.

He would also have personal communications whether they be in here or emails or whatever maybe he records phone calls I don’t know, but it would be another layer that we don’t have. Five data sets to our one.

If anyone in here were to have a public persona through any social media avenue, other forums etc… then obviously that’s a data set for both of us. depending on who you are, that could be a very telling data set for everyone. It’s at least 6:2 now.

So all I was saying was going back to the original post by HT, not only do I think ChatGPT alone is fully capable of doing this, but also Dale has everything he needs to have it perform with all available context. It doesn’t even have to do the moderating itself which it probably could too, but it could definitely set it up for a human to review pretty easily with all the context.

[AKIron]

The idea of "AI moderation" isn't to evaluate all the posts on this forum every time someone posts. It would be to evaluate each post in accordance with the established rules. If it feels the need for greater context it is able to evaluate many posts in seconds.

[captain1ma]

its to help the mods and be fair based on comments and rules against certain topics. AI moderation against "you ___   ___   ____!!" mute 30minutes(probably tyke)

"President _____ ____ _____ _____ _____!!" mute 30 minutes.

"jaeger1, You're clueless" ok let that one slide. its probably true!!

[Shane]

All great and agreed, but that’s what we can do now. Dale can go so much deeper.

Let’s assume he has every single transcript for any word ever typed inside the game since day one. That’s a good start.

We know he has every unedited word most likely inside this BBS since day one. We have access to this too. Good start for us, data set number two for him. And he can also take it a step further than we can because he has access to private messages which I’m guessing there’s some people in here would not want analyzed. Now he has three sets to our one.

He would also have personal communications whether they be in here or emails or whatever maybe he records phone calls I don’t know, but it would be another layer that we don’t have. Five data sets to our one.

If anyone in here were to have a public persona through any social media avenue, other forums etc… then obviously that’s a data set for both of us. depending on who you are, that could be a very telling data set for everyone. It’s at least 6:2 now.

So all I was saying was going back to the original post by HT, not only do I think ChatGPT alone is fully capable of doing this, but also Dale has everything he needs to have it perform with all available context. It doesn’t even have to do the moderating itself which it probably could too, but it could definitely set it up for a human to review pretty easily with all the context.

Even the raw chat files are missing context because Ai would struggle to identify who is responding to whom without a massive effort in somehow training it.  Then you have to assign levels of intent (was it banter?) or thresholds of accountability (is "gunbunny comparable to "hacker!")

Talk about low juice for the squeeze when the underlying principle is: we are responsible for what we say. The weak link is being able to, wait for it, meaningfully contest an automated decision.  Could AI help with the review process? Sure.  Could AI discern word patterns and "moderate" chat discussions? Maybe with training.  For example, masked vulgarity or [threshold alert] cheat! hack!  could be doable. 

[AKIron]

[Dadtallica]

Even the raw chat files are missing context because Ai would struggle to identify who is responding to whom without a massive effort in somehow training it.  Then you have to assign levels of intent (was it banter?) or thresholds of accountability (is "gunbunny comparable to "hacker!")

Talk about low juice for the squeeze when the underlying principle is: we are responsible for what we say. The weak link is being able to, wait for it, meaningfully contest an automated decision.  Could AI help with the review process? Sure.  Could AI discern word patterns and "moderate" chat discussions? Maybe with training.  For example, masked vulgarity or [threshold alert] cheat! hack!  could be doable.

I think you’re grossly under selling it then because it can pick up exactly on who said what to who and when. I often work with it on my phone where I just talking into my phone for 10 to 15 minutes at a time and these giant long form  answers. It has no trouble keeping up going back-and-forth, correcting misspellings, understanding context.

It can do these things, a lot faster, speed than a lot of us even realize. A simple well crafted  GPT deep research run would do quite a bit alone. I just feel and from what my experience has shown I can do these things a lot better than we imagine.

This is also a subject you would maybe be less objective on than even me or others. I’ve never been muted or gotten points here or been warned or any of those kind of things and I don’t participate in the 200 chat. It’s just not circles I travel in. So to me from the outside looking in I think it can very well objectively moderate everyone else. Certainly doesn’t mean I’m correct. That’s just what I feel things point to.

Personally and professionally, I’m probably using GPT alone for 6-8 to hours a day during the week. I’m often surprised that it did something or can do something I wasn’t expecting.

[nrshida]

So, I'm not special?!?!   

Very special*

:prayAs i said here come the 5 idiot trolls that chasee players out when they see what this mental mush does to me. Ya know how many vacated when they saw you can be doxxed here

What I think Animl is that with the decline of Christianity in much of the developed world a cultural void developed in the absence of a framework of decency. Yes it had faults, some would debate its origin but right or wrong it was there. That has been lost leaving people only running an outdated biological program at least 122,477-years old which amounts now to a maladaption: we have not caught up socially with the last four revolutions. Communities are no longer geographically co-located, we are surrounded by strangers and every cave is already occupied. Nor have people addressed their incredible tendency to identify outsiders and attack them for their Mammoth meat, flint, interesting hand tools and women.

Bullying people isn't strong. It's weak. I think you ought not let any of that activity dent you in anyway. Let it slide off you like water off a duck's back. Say your piece, do your thing and if that rubs some people the wrong way, well they'll just have to learn to be more tolerant.

You are special too* every soul is and none can be replaced.

*No homo

[AKIron]

Do you actually read any of animls posts?

:prayAs i said here come the 5 idiot trolls that chasee players out when they see what this mental mush does to me. Ya know how many vacated when they saw you can be doxxed here

Every single poster here knows what AKIron and CotTrips do here. Former players allowed to chase customers off. The scum of bbs.

Same idiots that called me a fool for having entisoasm.

Very sick disturbed 5 idiots

A whole lot AI can’t do. Detect intent

I will never tell anyone to come here, it would ruin my word

Adolescents at best

[nrshida]

Do you actually read any of animls posts?

Do you ever wonder WHY he posts the way he does?

[AKIron]

Do you ever wonder WHY he posts the way he does?

Please tell me.

[nrshida]

Please tell me.

What do you mean please tell me? Is this a genuine question? Haven't you not thought about it yourself? Don't you care?

I'll answer your question. I have read Animal's post nested in the back and forth between the same set of people and not in isolation.

[AKIron]

What do you mean please tell me? Is this a genuine question? Haven't you not thought about it yourself? Don't you care?

I'll answer your question. I have read Animal's post nested in the back and forth between the same set of people and not in isolation.

Of course I want your opinion. From my perspective he slings feces unprovoked like the monkeys at the zoo and then rolls over and plays the victim when called on it. As far as underlying emotional issues? Yeah, I am certain they exist. But life is hard for all of us and we don't all act like that.